Nasher

Is it even a problem? How does it compare to other teams?

Remember when headlines in the media used to give you a vague idea of the content? I hate being forced to read/listen to the content before getting to decide if I'm interested in it or not. Anyway, luckily for me, why we can't be trusted isn't a question I'm seeking an answer to. Anyone who has followed this club any longer than about 3 years knows why: because we always seem to stumble when we think we're about to clear the next hurdle. Maybe we don't actually "always" - in fact it's probably only "occasionally", but it feels like that when you spent as long a time being uncompetitive as we did. Trust will come. I personally had restored my level of trust considerably before last week: I knew that even when we were playing poorly, this MFC team didn't give up and roll over. We could go into any game, we'd probably still be in it at 3/4 time and I knew we could beat anyone if we played our best. I was still hopeful at 1/2 time against Hawthorn. The slap in the face during the second half stung painfully because I was unprepared for it (read: I had trust). In reality, all teams have at least one game a year where they play like arse and get flogged, but for the MFC fan it hurt, because of the fragility of the trust. Fans of very trustworthy teams can endure it and shake it off quickly. Fans of teams who are very untrustworthy expect that pain and can brace for it. It'll take time to recover it again, but it can happen. It's not a permanent loss of trust, just a setback to the trust that was being earned. Thanks for the analysis Plough (I still haven't followed the link).

It's almost like the hand isn't a very complex bit of anatomy with a variety of nerves and sensations, where an injury could be anywhere between trivial and debilitating.

Whenever you want, it's a free country.

I don't think Werridee is suggesting yesterday's performance was anything other than awful - it wasn't. It was dreadful and you'd have to be stone hearted not to have finished that game not at least a bit pizzed off by it. It's just that the sack Goodwin, we're doomed, it's all been for nothing, we're never going to be good crap is totally over the top.

Not saying I was thrilled with it bb, just wasn't worried yet. We were still getting enough of the ball at that stage and I've seen us have low scoring quarters before, correct it and come away with a win.

FFS.

I wasn't worried at half time either, but I was bloody worried half way through the third.

Fig, that was disappointing. Every one of our bottom end players played like one, and I include Kent in that. First time a Goodwin MFC team has put the cue in the rack. Had forgotten how disgusting this feeling is. Forced myself to watch the last 15 minutes. Don't even know why. Going to have a quiet sook to myself tonight I think.

Weird thing was, the season where 186 happened (2011) wasn't even that bad in the scheme of things - we finished 12th with 8 wins and a draw. It was otherwise looking to be a reasonable development year under Bailey until the club did its best to self-destruct. It was 2013 where the wheels completely and utterly fell off with two wins at 54%, which as ET said, was Fitzroy like. Gotta love reliving these great memories.

That's just your memory being kind to you mono.

Stop trying to use Tasmania as a Victorian tip. We really don't want your rubbish.

Weird that "Bradshaw" would be a word common enough to be in anyone phone dictionary, but it does explain it.

I'm intrigued by how often he gets called Bradshaw. Seems a difficult typo to be made so systematically. Is it a weird autocorrect type thing? Surely nobody actually thinks that is his name?

I'm almost at the point of turning it off because the annoyance of BT's voice is interrupting the peace.

I am trying to be interested in this game, without success.

Fitting that the Lewis is lying on the ground in the Melbourne photo! Hawthorn have taken quite a few of our offcuts over the years. Paul Johnson is another.

That's just an indisputable fact of nature isn't it? Tom Bugg only had one awful set shot miss last week, because on that occasion I forgot to remind those in the room watching with what a terrible set shot he was. I didn't make that mistake again.

I'd take Kreuzer over Gawn any day. *snigger* Nope, can't even say it with a straight face.

I reckon since a shaky first half against Geelong, he's been good. Cops an unreasonable amount of criticism IMO - I reckon we are conditioned to the 18th-22nd being so completely hopeless that many look at them through that lense as if they're the second coming of Tom Gillies or Dan Nicholson or whatever Neeld era player you want to choose. Fear of failure drives us to be excessively critical. Wagner doesn't have any particularly exciting aspects - can't magic the ball out of packs like Oliver, bulldoze through like Trac, or sprint like Hunt, but he impacts contests, and he tackles to remove the ball from his opponents. Earning his keep for mine.

I'm pretty confident I haven't read any new content on this site for years Choke, and I'm not even kidding. It's amazing how we're all suckers for the footy merry-go-round.

Other predictions: - We will win by 15 points in a tight fought contest played at a slightly lower standard than we all hoped for - The conclusions drawn will vary widely between "real deal" and "xxx will flog us in yy weeks time in this form", which won't happen - Hawthorn will get a run of four goals which will get so much airtime it breaks the Demonland server. We will get a run on of five goals which will go unmentioned - OMac will be held responsible for every goal, Tyson for every turnover, and our payment for Lever referred to - Hogan, Trac and Oliver to dominate.

My tip is severe negativity in the match day thread, with Clint Biz and Praha leading the charge.

No - it's been a free kick *if* the glance at the opponent is followed by a block. That's the first time I reckon I've ever seen a free kick paid for looking at your opponent. It was an utterly ridiculous decision both in the context of the rules, *and* in the context of previous decisions paid.

Exactly my answer. You need 28 genuine AFL standard players on your list. Viney and TMac aren't due back in ages - zero chance of someone not being broken by then.