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Who cares if we do? It's for one year and I doubt we're tight for space. He's contracted, surplus to requirements, and has earned the right to the club doing the right thing by him. If it gets the trade done, pay our slice and get him to Collingwood.

Was definitely "Superboot" Wheatley.

Got overtaken by Oscar McInerney. Not good for one's career prospects, I'd have thought.

Probably wasn't a very funny joke. Was just amused after reading the last 5 pages of this thread, where every post is "it's not happening, DER".

No, and no. Was joking - obviously not happening.

Are you suggesting the trade is off?

Mitchell is going there for one year. We get Lewis for three, of course he is going to be dearer in price. Besides, precedents don't mean anything. Each trade is its own beast. Do you really think the conversation would go like this? Hawthorn: We want pick 44 for Lewis. Melbourne: You only got 88 for Mitchell. Hawthorn: Oh, you're right! Darn, our mistake. Pick 100 will do then.

I love people's enthusiasm, but I find things like this cringeworthy. I know, such a Grinch.

Joke.

19 for Hibberd for me, can be Melksham's locker room neighbour.

No, we have to make three list changes.

Hah. At this rate, it's quite possible we won't participate in the draft at all if we decide to promote a rookie or two.

No.

Are you this disingenuous on purpose? Not one person said that we have a better list than GWS right now. The context of this discussion is around the quality of the youth on the list.

How about the cheek of Hawthorn to offer him up as part of the O'Meara trade? Lol. I've wondered if this was some mad genius at play from them, but I'm pretty convinced now that it's just regular madness.

He put himself there though. If he'd nominated a club with better picks and less salary cap pressure, he wouldn't be in this position. It's a situation at least partly of his own doing. I don't feel sad for him at all.

It's okay, you have all weekend to get used to it. I'm pretty confident that is what the deal will be.

We're pretty much arguing the same point mate, but reaching a different conclusion. This the beauty of this stuff! Like I said - third round draft pick is a 0-10 year player. Lewis is a 1-3 year player. For the pick, the question is over quality, for Lewis it's over longevity. The risks are comparable IMO, but I'll agree to disagree as you weight them differently. Treloar is a 8-10 year player of high quality- the most valuable of the three by a long shot. BTW, In general I've always shared your view that supporters and club vastly overrate draft picks, especially earlier ones. I did an on the back of an envelope type look once and the chances of picking a complete dud in the top 20 was about 50% - astronomically high. I think my thinking in this case leads me to believe that perhaps the footy in public underrates the value of late picks (third round and beyond) though. I've never done the study, but it wouldn't surprise me if the probably of getting a decent player in the third round was comparable to getting one in the first or second round.

Macca, I reckon if you want to continue this argument then you need to find some more relevant examples. Treloar has no relevance at all in this; he was 22 at the time he was traded. I agree with the vagaries of the draft and the risks with picks; in the draft you might get a 10 year player or you might draft a spud. In this case though, the receiving club a 1-3 year player and Hawthorn get a 0-10 year player in return. In the case of Treloar, Collingwood received a player you'd expect to be a 8-10 year player at worst, who is a known gun. You would expect them to pay a heavy premium of that sort of player. Tom Mitchell is in the same category. Lewis isn't, because his longevity in the game is greatly shorter than the others. I go in to any argument expecting to be persuaded, especially when up against someone whose posts I love reading. Show me recent examples of clubs giving up anything greater than a third round pick for a player on the wrong side of 30, and I'll concede that that is where the price might be.

The reason I expect the price for Lewis to be low is his age. Anything better than a third round pick is giving Hawthorn a shot at another 10 year player in exchange for a player they have made no promise of retaining after 1 year. They've all but said they don't want him.

@olisik?

Haha, probably a better analogy. But I've got to be honest, if that's ever happened to me at all, it was so long ago that it's long been flushed from the memory banks now.

Fevola didn't say much that was revolutionary, as faultydet (I think) said, he pretty much just covered everything that's been said on here and elsewhere. I did love the line about Melbourne "being unsure if it was real or not" - that moment where someone's told you something and right up until it happens, you're stopping every five minutes going "nah really, you're not taking the piss are you? Seriously?" :D

No. It was after Brad Miller had lead the lads to Phi Phi island after the Troy Broadbridge thing. The story goes that while Sewell was unpacking his locker in to his bag ready to go, Ferguson was in Neale Daniher's office, in tears, pleading not to be traded.

Wrists well and truly unslashed at this stage.