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I shall prequalify my comments by agreeing with all and sundry that we dont KNOW whar actually transpired...or didn't that may or otherwise precipitated the actions of the alleged disenfranchised. It irks me somewhat that accusations are made in something akin to a mudslinging attack. I'm sure anyone with grievance has better avenues. Is that just me. Stories were told. No one knows the actual validity but then the media was given the downlow. All the whiles the supposed transgressors are none the wiser, and later not made aware of the 'details' despite actions taken for a full disclosure. Anyone else see this as ...well... bizarre. I have no idea whether Fagan, Clarko or Burr are good bad or otherwise. In a sense at ths juncture i dont really care. I am acutely aware this could be seen as a character hit job. Someone says something.... . Thats about all we seem to have. The accusations must be tested. Nobody seems to want to do this. Especially the accusers. There might be valid reasons for coyness but i dont think thats how it can work. If the concerns are as described then in tuth the notion the AFL..even thevClub are the arbiters is a nonsense. Such things are covered by any number of statutes and come under the auspices of legal bodies. As with the drug fiasco it seriously annoys me that the AFL thinks it is the judge. No, they're just the workplace, might as well be Woollies, Bunnings or Maccas. Do they have their own arenas of contrivance ? No. Nor should Gil or Dilltown. Let the due processes of Legal dilligence and adjudication prevail. Put up....or....

Its not just how we look.. curious to.our intent. Hopefully come out playing winning footy... not defending a loss.....and lose.

The point was..i think.. The Freo game last year earmarked out 'coming apart' . Therefore notable. Fast forward... .. touch of deja vu. ( actually i think the Port game will be seen as 'that' game this year ).. But the point i think is..... if that was the start of the rot, where/what have we done since. Arguably.... nothing. we're marking time. Disregard the current ladder...it will be meaningless by season's end unless we rediscover attacking footy .

An interesting post...much to be considered. It's good the thuggery has been made accountable. Im affraid i cant agree with you if your sentiment is the quality of umpiring and its effects upon the game both as the user is concerned ( i.e.. players confusion etc ) as well as the visual... the spectacle ; has not become nearvto farcical as ive ever seen... That would be 59 years of watching. It would be fair to say I'm probably more equiped to disect what I'm seeing now than i was say at ...5... Once games were supervised by one...one field umpire. Amazing to think really. Then 2...3....and now 4. Their numbers havent added anything notable... The AFL has introduced intrusive 3rd party adjudication. Goals by camera. Except it's far from absolute and arguably detrimental to the flow of the game. The quality of the game revolves around fairness. Nothing more encapsulates that ideal than the Charlie , but the game is mocked by none other than those entrusted to oversee and secure its uniqueness. One only need look at the ridiculous carrying ons of the MRO. The tribunal has lost its lustre. I have no doubt your posr is well meaning, reasonable and quite correctly a balanced view of life and football. That said Redleg's lament was to football and how it is run today. I can hardly fault his dissertation. He echos essentially what I see. I'm not so sure the frustration expressed , indeed as i read it was to the necessity ( if any ) to maintain any status quo. I saw it as pining for times when fairness, and consistency of adjudication were not only manifest but transparent. I think if you were to survey reasoned, observent , considered and 'balanced' followers of the game they might also lament where we find todays game. Ill agree... football and society has changed.

He doesn’t.... imho.. i really like Tom... very personable. A true swing player.. on his day an excellent user of the ball and one of those with as a Mr J Wayne would suggest ...true grit. Always remember a game against Swans a few years back.. the bloids had come back and were besting us.. Tmac in the pocket.. Something snapped/switched.. he forced himself upon the ball.. flung aside a number of Swans ..pirouetteted to line up on sticks ..and bang.. I was mightily impressed... But sadly Tommy cant bring that version to play anymore... his body is cruelling him. Hes lost pace and though he still has a tank he's not quite there in AFL terms... and that must annoy him as he is a proud bloke. If he can play and be useful at Casey...i hope he uses the time to his enjoyment.

He's certainly a well spoken and amicable lad. But please dont ask me to believe he wasn't aware of the win - loss stat. Thats a bit much. I was always acutely aware of how i/we were tracking as a player. Im just sayin' ...that's all He knows.

Why not both .....

Oddly, in a manner, many if those remarks could have been effectively transcribed from the previous Port and Dockers efforts at doom and gloom. Yet here we are These scummy folk are a lot more certain about the Dees than im prepared to be currently.

Seems we are selecting these days the same way we play.... i.e trying not to lose as opposed trying to win. If it's as i suppose it would account for the close loses as opposed close wins. Selection will be revealing later today.

What we understand as Phonetics...is modern Phonetics.. kinda came into play early 19th century.. a little late for the Greeks to be worried.

Seems there's a simple formula in operation. May + Lever less capable 3rd = Struggle Street May +Lever+ Petty... =sweet May works much better when he can seemingly bark the ideas...as does Lever... but they need the "polishers" to make it look truly pretty. Salem and Petty do this well. Salem was ( in that Big Dance that mattered) the 'pilot' of the back 50. He's been missed ( imho ) Salem makes much better decisions coming out of defence. I believe Lever and May like having the cool calm Salem to sweep the ball into rebound. I think May is unsettled without that 3rd and 4th wheel.

The strict answer must be we're no further advanced. There have been accusations. They havent been properly tested. There being an impasse to proprietary procedures. Kinda he said ...he said.. they said.. others said nothing.. yada yada yada nada nada nada. Many other things could be said... i won't

General no... certainly select.

Yes... i think many might be overlaying another extrapolation which cant be done. Edit... funny how much of anything is read but invariably people will see what theyre looking to see or not.

You cant find what essentially isnt there. If the accusers weren't prepared to go on record, test their case in court, then there IS nothing. People can hypothesise to their hearts desire . For something adverse to have been found, something would at least have to been substantiated. Accusations alone are not substantive.

Were you represented by the respected Firm of Messrs Daniels & Beam Esquires ?

Somewhat sobering

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Rain 90% friday evening. Marvee

THIS Yep... we're getting ragged at centre clearances often because the opposing team can behind us and link clear quickly..i.e they're playing to our rucks better than we often do. Crazy really. We cant afford to give Cripps any leeway or he'll be ramming it down McKays gob quicker than you can scream ( your colloquial invective of choice )

Not thinking stoppages are our forte currently. Not entirely sure what is actually. Im sure we'll just do our thang ;)

Im not confident our Brains Trust will impose a tag on Cripps... they passed up doing similarly on an on-fire Butters . They'll just back our Brand ;) W̶o̶r̶k̶s̶ W̶e̶l̶l̶

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The look of despondent incredulousness that befell to the smug scummies .... priceless. Made the win doubly special. Had there been a roof over the ground it would have lifted with that roar :)

Personally...the Carlton "disappointment" pales next to the dying moments at artic park ... PF 1987