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Was that a yes or no then ?

You raise an interesting thought, whilst on the subject of related/unrelated metrics. Can you not like much about a club while still loving it ?

Youre not thar bright are you ? There's no connect.... but hey.

Crayons... Is that your level ?

We aren't playing finals this year short of a miracle. 3/4 wins doesn't cut it.. 5 is iffy.. 6 to be sure. Who seriously sees us winning 6 games from here on in ? Always possible......but truthfully unlikely. I've witnessed Melb revivals but we had a fighting team... playing full tilt...and turned tge tables. Is this now ? Computer says no. Need to just play to our best long term interests. Forget 24 imho

Gee ...we don't like it when faced with the truth... so tempted to cite A Few Good Men. Take away the author's identity i challenge the naysayers to actually debate the article. So easy to lazily call names and mock disdain. For mine he pretty well nails it. The truth can be and often is ugly. Actually I thought he held back somewhat. So again...point by point ... engage... Or just sit there.... and throw barbs simply because the truth annoys.

Ahhhh "Learnings" ......

They found themselves in unchartered and unexpected territory... didnt know how to finish it off... a pity.

Thats actually not too shabby an outlook. The thing that oftem bemuses me, and concurrently annoys me is for the most, and the many we ALL want success...not just a few wins on the trot, not just escaping the grim reapers sense of 'injury' humour... but success and if not at least respect. We all ,often seems, have differing viewpoints but the ideal is tge same... a competitive and successful team. Currently that's an illusion. Cutting through to reality we need to be maverick. Need to be honest enough to understand where we are and brave enough to let loose those we've brought on board to help us. Is the timing ideal ?? Hell no but it reminds me a little of when someone asks when are you ready you have kids... reality... never. It will happen. You will adjust You persevere.... you fake it til you make it .. And so we must as a club embrace the youth, shepherd them as best and see what happens. Time to roll a die or two and mix it up. Otherwise, just atm, all we are likely to see is same same same. And why would we not ? Again...as much as it surprises some zi actually liked Goodwins left field ideas early in the day ( the getting there was one thing ) .He demonstrated a flair ... he needs to again. Currently we are devoid of any.

Aye laddie ....thers's the rub eh. And sadly so. Do we limp, hobble and sputter with the likes of current team sheets...and accomplish ?? ( i really don't know , but not thinking a great deal ) .... or look to rotate a few of the 'elders' on the pitch JUST to help out the kids where ever possible. For me the rest of this year is about learning/evaluation/ and miles in legs. Even if we fell into the finals ...we arent lasting 5 mins there. This is not one of those fairytale years....not by a country mile. Give the kids banks of games... see who takes to it. Really, what's there to lose ??

They need skilled guidance and mentoring We have none... just what is.

🤔🤔🤔🤔 Remind you of anyone ??? Hmmmm.... those were the days ....

Like he said.... no midfield coach....

because I could less what the [censored] you think or say...or don't... hit me with a facepalm .. You're good at adding "nothing "

Last i looked the thread was titled Maynard.

sorry...you are so fixated on a personal situation you cant see the TEAM. I can fully appreciate the position Gus is in. What he loves , he can not do any more. I could imagine he doesn't want others to 'retaliate' as you would have it. I get it.. But I'm going to throw the counter view at you that that might be seen as toatally selfish. How so. He's not out there, so let those that are get on with it. Why should they have anyrestraints physically or mentally put upon them ?? Flying the flag means standing your ground, both for yourself and your fellow team mate. It means holding the honour of being able to represent your club as all but sacrosanct. You think these are TWO different conversations and I would suggest you dont understand that they AREN"T and never are. No one is seriously suggesting going out there and thumping Maynard ( not in this day and age )....but neither should anyone be buddying up to him or anyone of the opposition. Yes we're as soft as butter....no one remonstrates. You don't get it...that's fine.... The game is NOT about Gus...it's about those that are on the field on any given day. Do you not understand that ??

again...is he coaching ?? it's not about retaliation....get that out of your head please... It's about playing the game...hard. ( fair) ..but hard. It's not a place to be doing anything other.. Sadly we do.

I seriously am wondering what some think AFL footy is about. It's actually a highly competitive, COMBATIVE, phyical game played withfurious intent. What it is NOT , is a Sunday afternoon Social with Tea and Scones. There's nothing wrong with having a Devonshire with your 'bestie' from anothr club .What you do out of hours is fine...couldn't give a rats but come time you don the Jumper and cross that line and you're playing for the club then it has to be a no holds barred full on encounter . You're not out there to make friends.. Do that in your own bloody time please. I can only wonder what the likes of Grinter, Biffin, Ditterich, Whelan would have made of that !! ( to only mention a few) Ol' Ronald Dale would be livid I should think... A very fair player....but by golly he wouldn't have stood for that rubbish...as he was indoctrinated that your "Melbourne First" as you ought to be.

Ive attended/watched footy since a lil tacker of 5. First games in 1965.. This just for context. Teams under Smithy were hard at it . You didn't get a guernsey if you even looked like a shirker. The respect you gave the jumper and the preparedness to do the TEAM thing was just a given. Through the decades we've had out fair share of hard nuts. We've had our champions and a lot of hard-workers . Not all so talented but very few grifters. Success ...not so much. Even in the dourest of days the effort was honest. But if one of ours was felled... look out. FF to now...yeah ....not so much Back when we were DEMONS .. NO ONE....and i mean NO ONE would have shook Maynard's hand... the best he would have received would have been a non-idle reminder !! These other teams don't go away these days thinking we're a tad soft. Sadly they KNOW it.

You're right.... we're not quite at that but on course. Currently we're pitiful/lamentable/non-threatening None of this is in any shape or form.... enjoyable.

Thankyou for showing it as abundantly clear. Notice a number of things. He makes no attempt to turn body away from collision... he does protect his own head though... he pushes the bulk of his frame directly into Brayshaw. He lifts his knee also. Anyone thinking this was just a "football" act is kidding themselves.

Going to be a very interesting gauge of both

It could be about ANYONE wearing that jumper....

Gus coaching now ?? This isnt just about Gus... it's about the jumper....about what as a team you're prepared to take. Apparently we indentify as marshmallows...fuschias....happy campers.....all smiles and backslaps....woohoo. Strangely another club....and coincidentally the same one , took offence ( rightly so ) to "all duck and no dinner" and let it's uttererer know all a out it. The only thing more sickening than Gus getting maliciously flattened.. was anyone being nicey nicey to the filth before tge game, in full view of many thousands of Melbourne Supporters. What you do down the pub at the cafe is up to whomever. If youre wearing that jumper believe me there's an expectation to honour it and your team mates. No one's respecting our jumper .