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So it's ok to talk about a Hogan trade. Welcome to the real world everyone. Took some of you long enough. Go Dees

Not there yet lol

its been mooted , not without reason that if he were staying...two simple words would suffice: "I'm staying!!" crickets !!!!!!!!!!!

Gday Deanox...Im not ignoring the rest of your post as it were.. ( as many good points in there ) . Imho there is no may in MAY. ( that sounds so odd..lol ) Maybe his name ought be Steven Will. I agree as will many that we lost many games for all the reason youve mentioned....plus ONE...an important one for mine. The back structure was deliberately flawed. Why deliberate ? Because we no longer had a key element that was to make it humm...Lever. Once he went down ( sadly after finally finding his groove ) they (club ) shuffled. We no longer had enough of the same cards to cover...so it was 'make do " for the rest of the season. With the inability to chop off a lot of incoming...( goes to your mids lacking sufficient defending ) our backline, especially Oscar and Hibberd were left exposed as undermanned. Pig tried hard...so too really did Oscar , but McDonald isnt quite there yet and he got monstered at times. Enter May. There will always be games where despite the best planning the ball gets to our defenders quicker than desired. Its their job as defenders to ...well...defend. To regain the ball and initiate the rebound. We just dont do that altogether well just at the moment. As many suggest May means we duck shove downwards the roles. We wont be fielding all of May, McD and Frost at the same time...something gives here. The May effect is an upgrade to what we have presently.

Dont misunderstand me I quite like what Vanders brings to our game but even Im not sure he's necessarily best 22. The arguments for retention and hope via a full preseason are worthy but if he goes he'll be replaced. I think the club IS being accommodating whilst prudent. Happy for him to stay ...quite understand should he go. Either way HE isnt the difference between good team and great team.

Im not sure why losing Hogan is bad . Or did you particularly refer to us being with an open window? Either way Id say an argument could be mounted ( actually refer BRFE post #2776 this thread ) to put a perspective on this. What I think happens is a big name leaves so it must be bad. Quite frankly I think Hogans value is about to be realised and I dont think it's necessarily bad. I dont believe Hogan for all of his stats is more influential on a game than Lever. With or without Hogan we've found a way to goal quite often.( some might argue its a better structure even.. ) Lever going down created a distinct problem that was never fully covered. Any which way I agree with point 1 2 ive discussed 3 somewhat moot I think in years to come we will indeed look back upon this EOS as being quite pivotal , but I suspect not for the reasons many imagine just now

you doing the riddles now ??

You just get the notion Vanders leaving is purely about pragmatism. I wish him well.. Their time in Footy is not always long.. Theres more to life than footy.

is he here yet

to be quite honest I couldnt care less what he gets paid by Freo. Jesse's a big boy...he has a manager..Im sure he'll be just fine SONS...just fine I do have some interest in what Freo give us

Doesn't impact us...it impacts their cap. That is all.

I'd be very surprised if Jesse wasn't at the Bluey, irrespective of any events ensuing.

sue...im sure they have thought all of this through....absolutely......?

back to the future for the Dees...two rucks !!?

why cant we have both.....( cue the meme) seriously... I said much earlier that Bell coming onboard might very likely change the complexion of this. I dont think it will however alter the outcome..( much )

I hope Gaff didnt arrest his development

Menzel Brown and Roughy were more dangerous than Buddy. Not just in goals but assists Its also about the holistic effect. May coming in changes the dynamic of our defence ( hopefully ) dramatically. In BIG games...defense is EVERYTHING,,,exhibit A : 29/9/2018 !!

Prime !!

A hypothetical...nothing more Before Eagles win Premiership..Gaff just an Eagle..biding his time...do I dont I... maybe a shltload of money aint a bad thing. After Eagles win Premiership .. Gaff an outsider in his own neighbourhood now. Hard to re-bond with existing...was looking to fresh fields anyway....but maybe the lustre of a Cup is shinier now than before.. Option....somewhere just for money..lots... somewhere else where that Window is ajar...still going to get more than a fist-full of green !! Hmmmmmm

What boat are you in ?? SS Today/Tomorrow: This boat is sailing into turbulent waters but with a view to taking all on thats before it and having a real crack. Living in the moment RMS Pasado-Munyana: This old barge aint going anywhere in too much of a hurry , just in case there's a storm, or a reef. In fact it just sails in circles.

Just a question. If you had a pick 10, what can you get ? You get an early-ish roll of a die in a draft which might land you a decent player who in 2-3 years becomes serviceable after 40-50 games ( or might not ) OR Get you a very handy KPB with over a 10O games experience and ready to go...ready to impact. I know what I'd choose.

You can never go back

Or a new start might invigorate. Now I know this is a less than ideal analogy... it's all a bit like when your better half cheats on you. You don't ever go back to the 'normality' it once was. No one's cheated on Gaff ..but the others did something he didn't. If me. I'd leave. Fresh start..head down, bum up...get into it. If Gaff and looking at lists and prospects ...we leave the Nuff Norfs in the dust. FMD.. .. we're already 2nd fact for flag next year...wtf lol. Gaff is a mid.. who's midfield would you rather compliment ?

That's nice Moonie...the lads of the FD will sleep soundly now I just like the idea of having a player just about all struggle to pronounce !!! ??? ( That, and he CAN play )