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further thought.... play him as a winger... almost scary !!

Feels like Christmas just came early..

I cant see us really being able to pick anyone other than whom we want in the PSD except for our first pick.. Yes some teams will pass, but I suppose it might have a practical side.. Big gamble

where do we play him....as a mid .. or just ask Jurrah and Patrick to go out and create whatever mayhem they can in whatever manner they feel fit ?? :LOL;

well summised

Ball walks away from Saints...Official nudge nudge wink wink say no more

As far as Meesen and Newton go they remain on their contracts...same money...just are on Rookie list and not the main. They would still need to be elevated to play ( as i understand it...and Im wrong sometimes.. )

I suppose the romantic notion is Patrick. ( for one ) but as the MFC is want to do they keep all these lil secrets to themselves and only spring them come selection time. of course by then the list is out and any anomalies will be apparent. its about when other clubs can afford to use their choices. Keep in mind 34 and 50 are our 5th and 6th choices..Some clubs are barely out of the starting blocks at 34 and would be looking at a different caliber/level/type of player with their first couple of picks. We might be able to claim them ( whoever they are ) before others have much of a chance. We have looked and spoken to Patrick by all accounts

As i understand it... the rules allow for them (Meesen, Newton ) to be automatically rookied if no one selects them. We dont need to use any ND selections to retain them...( if still there ) This frees up all ND draft picks.. and we have free rein with PSD1.. Looking good

Makes you wonder who the MFC is going to get to nominate for the ND ?? If , hypothetically you had a couple of semi-smokies...and wanted them.. you could take them earlier than many other clubs could afford to. Something of a risk.. but maybe workable. Its a gamble -undersstod.

at teh risk of confusing myself.. i thought we now had 7 vacancies fillable..that would allow 1, 2, 11, 18, 34, 50 and PSD1

we now have 2 more spots with which to draft... 34 and 50 just came into play....hmmmmm !!!

so exactly as has been purported by some Newton and Meesen , subject to not being drafted elsewhere will be rookied.

Dees make more changes I'll put it here as it affects drafting and lists etc the game's afoot

all we've said is wed like to speak to Luke.. thats it.. he hasnt returned the call. Asking them out on a date and getting them out on a date are two different things !! ( purely for analogy ) Ive never said no contact was made..only no meaningful discussion have transpired.. There is no reason for anyone to deny it. Its not a comittment to talk. Theres no benefit to pretend you havent.

we'll agree to differ :D I personally think his choice does warrant consideration.

if hes prepared to play for us ( I personally dontt hink he is...but will allow the obvious that others think he might ) then why not indeed play for us in a manner which speaks well of you ( the player ) and your efforts to allow the club to use its resources to the max.. Its a mercenary position, but I dont see how its well constructed. He is throwing away self determination for guesswork. Theres no sense in that. I think if he nominates for the ND then he has defacto made his intentions clear to us...and hoping like hell he survives through to either Essendon or Collingwood. welcome to both. He risks Port and Nth at the very least. if this is the way he thinks I dont want him in a Red and Blue jumper holding a ball and having to make decisions !!

Jarka..you claim evidence.. of what?? you made a statement...try backing it up. Show what was said ..and how that demostrates your assertion ! Ive put nothing your mouth mate.. you have ample opportunities to clarify then you dont.. just remulling a previous assertion.. i.e. Bailey said 'this' therefore Bailey said 'this' it supports nothing. What Bailey has said is that he ( the club ) is still keen to speak to him. That we are interested. ""Demons coach Dean Bailey said they had informed Ball of their interest in him, and would be happy for the grand final midfielder to join them on the track. "Certainly, through his manger Paul [Connors], we've made it very clear," Bailey said on radio station SEN. "We're in a position now that Luke can come to us for pre-season, he can make a decision now, he can start training with us, which would be fantastic." "We haven't got to him yet, but don't worry. Luke knows exactly how keen we are" "" What we can fairly assume is that no discussions of any meaning have transpired at all otherwise one or both parties might have said do. There is no reason for bailey ( MFC ) to be secretive had anything happened..as a simple.."we are engaged in talks and await progress etc" could be announced.. no harm, no foul. I think "he can make a decision now, he can start training with us, which would be fantastic" with "I think if a player sat down in front of me, and said, 'I don't want to play at Melbourne', it's a short discussion," he (Bailey )said. Is a way for the club to say...stop %^&*ing us around.. put up or shut up.. The evidence...i.e. what we can rightly see or discern, is that as nothing has transpired..other than he ( Ball ) talking to all but us that he has made up his mind The MFc needs to make no bones about admitting its chased him and has been spurned.. The way out for Melb is tojust call that spade a spade and get on with things. Supporters would have been up in arms had not the club made some effort to entice him.

strange in a manner that a kid whos major downside was apparently attitude is displaying much of the right type in having a go.. Chalk and cheese isnt it

Coralling a bloke into playing for us is akin to a hostage taken trying to woo his prey. What on earth makes you think that given footy ( like many ) things is 99% between the ears ,that you will have valuable willing and performing servant simply because youve grabbed him ? it doesnt work that way. if you cant convince his mind to play for you ...you think his body will?? Why...because he HAS to?? laughable.. You going to hypnotise him into wanting to be a Dee? If he wants elsewhere he can have elsewhere.. Much bettter to take a player ( with any pick ) who is 'available" and "willing" to play for the adoptee club

Bailey gave Ball a get out?? your view. Bailey gave MFC a way out..my view. To label it 'evidence' is a stretch.. as its purely a supposition on your behalf I would think eventually a truer tale of events will emerge...but we'll all be past caring. Are you suggesting ive taken this more 'serious' than good self..lol... please...youre embarassing yourself now. We all have views and state them...dont shy away now from any weight you might give. Thorp i agree has more upside. He might be something we dont have..as opposed to Ball where we do have people to fill those positions...he was an option. Will be interesting to see ( or at least hear of ) how he trains.

well...given the way hes gone about it..yes it is. Hes not doint this very cleverly ..from this observers pov am surprised you fall for this ol' chestnut. Two entirely different circumstances., both at surface level and in deeper critique. For one....they have no real choice..and they pretty well accept that. Ball does.. Talking newbie draftees v senior player.. apples and oranges all over again..Please..get a better argument than that. As it happens both are thrilled ( by all reports) to be coming to Melbourne as they strangely enough have a more educated vision of Melbourne, its presnt and its potential. They also get toplay with some mates and respected opposition in their new team. They are actually looking forward to it...So maybe they might choose us.. because of the journey and potential. You just austomaticaly assume they wouldnt..based on ?? What many seem happy to ovelok is you wont get far with any senior player if he's press ganged.. These arent medieval times..but by all means construct the sillyness where he ( Ball ) has no choice... wake up...he always has choice..and hes not chosen us. Thats where it starts and finishes

youre not alone.. seems very odd...out of the frying pan into the fire.. and the message is loud and clear....strangely many of us might have one for himin return yep he'll need it.....but cant bring myself to award him any salutation. Am sure the karma faeries have him lined up already

awwww....cant we be allowed to beleive we are actually on the right track.?? go on...you know you want to The only direction for us is up. There is growing agreement out inthe footy world that Melbourne have done its hard yard and are now well situated to glean much form its young talented list and look toward brighter days come spetember skies. More than a few juries are out on Collingwood.. even amongst some of my more learned Filth mates they are not so sure its happy days ahead. But if you disagree..thats your perogative

apparently you dont need to get agreement anymore...