Redleg

What is this bullsh-t about us getting Cameron? Where is it coming from?

He was, Dawes handballed it 5 metres behind him. Don't blame Blease, it was a pathetic handball, and Dawes knew it immediately.

Can we get 10 PP's?

Carey gave Martin 3 votes as BOG.

Chook, Bob isn't an apologist for the club, he is a realist.We are not good enough. We have far too many who don't have AFL standard skill. When you have a handful of them in your team you just can't win. Doesn't matter who the Coach is or whatever. Our skill today was pathetic. Our effort, shown by our contested footy wasn't the problem. Excluding Watts from the effort stat as he shows none.

Agree. When you are winning contested footy, that comes from effort. When you are the 18th team or worst at controlling the footy, that is poor skill. We have more scores against us from turnovers than any other team, that comes from a lack of skill at retaining the footy. Our disposal today was as poor as I have ever seen. Brisbane didn't play brilliantly, but our poor disposal gave them the footy time and time again. The misses at goal were shameful. I trust Roos and Taylor and Viney senior to get rid of non AFL standard players at the end of the year. Then to hopefully get it right at replacing them with talented youngsters and tried but skilful players from other clubs, who might not be in their club's best 22, but who have the desire and ability to improve.

And there we have it.

So you will be sitting with the Lions fans then.

We may be lucky in that if we finish close to the bottom of the ladder, for us to be forced to use our 2nd rounder on Billy, someone will have to offer up a pick in the first say 18-19. I am not sure that anyone would want us to call their bluff that high. He could possibly slip to our 3rd rounder if that scenario is correct. He is not at the same desire level for us as Viney was, I would imagine. As someone said earlier, about time for some luck.

Keep hoping.

I thought the same. A number of fumbles too.

That might be needed for Billy Stretch.

Fried banana sandwiches killed Elvis. I am going to have to review my diet.

Correct. He is refusing to talk to only one club, his own. He would now have offers from a few clubs. If he wanted to stay, he would be telling the club what he has been offered and seeing what we can do. HE IS GONE.

Isn't this it?

Actually it's $1.2m per season, with $100k going to his father, a genius recruiter, who before GWS was earning about $5k per year as a part timer with the Swans.

The Petracca Cup is in full swing.

Garry Lyon keeps hinting at that. Roos is also good mates with another Lyon whose family might like to return to Victoria in a couple of years.

How is Jack Hanath going at Freo?

Agree.

GWS want Petracca. Watch the make up of their side when they play us. It will resemble Carlton's Kreuzer cup team.

The real problem is that ostensibly we get a pick to select a young kid, who will take 3 years to come up to speed, while we have lost an experienced, big bodied, key position player. That could change if you traded the pick for a couple of experienced players though.

Funny.

Of course it is, Evans used it as a poor excuse which backfired. He said we would have Clark and Hogan playing with improvement from Toumpas and other youngsters. Now we have finished again at the foot of the ladder. What is the excuse this time after 8 years of bottom of the ladder finishes. Oh of course, our percentage improved. If we don't get a PP and I don't think we will, it should be forever done away with.

Haven't seen the game yet, but what is wrong with the Dockers?