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I’ve shown you he has kicked 60 more goals in the same games as Kennedy and you dismiss it as just a stat. Then you say stats could show Watts was decent. Unbelievable.

People need to quote posters correctly. I said he COULD become our Kennedy not that he is.

Jesse Hogan Born:12-Feb-1995 (Debut:20y 51d Last:23y 181d) Height:195 cm Weight:100 kg Year Team # GM W-D-L KI MK HB DI GL BH HO TK RB IF CL CG FF FA BR CP UP CM MI 1% BO GA Totals 71 32-0-39 685 459 393 1078 152 81 13 110 17 174 20 132 81 37 14 458 629 124 183 87 5 44 Averages 17.75 45.07% 9.65 6.46 5.54 15.18 2.14 1.14 0.18 1.55 0.24 2.45 0.28 1.86 1.14 0.52 0.20 6.45 8.86 1.75 2.58 1.23 0.07 0.62 2015 Melbourne 1 20 6-0-14 178 134 83 261 44 19 25 1 45 5 20 17 6 5 118 139 47 52 22 1 12 2016 Melbourne 1 21 9-0-12 206 149 104 310 41 33 4 29 8 47 1 39 19 10 6 123 189 43 63 24 3 12 2017 Melbourne 1 10 5-0-5 91 51 51 142 20 6 15 2 26 3 19 9 5 3 55 87 10 21 9 1 6 2018 Melbourne 1 20 12-0-8 210 125 155 365 47 23 9 41 6 56 11 54 36 16 162 214 24 47 32 14 Josh Kennedy Born:25-Aug-1987 (Debut:18y 255d Last:31y 28d) Height:196 cm Weight:103 kg Year Team # GM W-D-L KI MK HB DI GL BH HO TK RB IF CL CG FF FA BR CP UP CM MI 1% BO GA Totals 220 112-2-106 1887 1296 651 2538 559 306 52 519 15 486 38 467 254 227 69 1190 1370 323 591 259 15 119 Averages 16.92 51.36% 8.58 5.89 2.96 11.54 2.54 1.39 0.24 2.36 0.07 2.21 0.17 2.12 1.15 1.03 0.33 5.41 6.23 1.47 2.69 1.18 0.07 0.54 2006 Carlton 5 9 1-1-7 36 32 16 52 5 4 1 11 15 1 17 7 8 25 30 5 8 3 1 2007 Carlton 5 13 2-0-11 57 50 40 97 6 5 40 27 4 16 6 19 10 9 40 55 7 6 15 1 2008 West Coast 17 7 1-0-6 55 46 34 89 7 4 1 7 19 2 12 9 5 34 55 9 6 7 4 2009 West Coast 17 16 6-0-10 150 110 52 202 31 17 2 28 2 40 4 35 16 13 76 128 23 32 23 1 9 2010 West Coast 17 22 4-0-18 199 130 61 260 41 19 1 60 1 69 3 58 25 27 3 108 149 28 34 30 3 15 2011 West Coast 17 23 16-0-7 208 144 62 270 59 38 70 69 4 55 25 32 4 150 125 51 65 42 3 15 2012 West Coast 17 9 7-0-2 58 43 16 74 18 14 13 13 1 16 7 11 3 39 35 14 24 7 1 1 2013 West Coast 17 21 8-0-13 210 143 63 273 60 23 1 69 2 60 1 44 26 21 6 137 137 34 62 16 1 17 2014 West Coast 17 20 10-0-10 175 114 51 226 61 33 62 1 33 6 46 23 26 11 90 131 17 56 19 1 10 2015 West Coast 17 25 18-1-6 241 168 92 333 80 55 52 1 60 5 44 28 20 12 154 184 39 101 28 3 18 2016 West Coast 17 23 16-0-7 229 148 71 300 82 37 1 69 3 45 4 52 34 26 17 151 157 42 87 30 1 15 2017 West Coast 17 19 11-0-8 166 111 59 225 69 39 5 27 27 32 24 18 13 112 111 34 72 28 10 2018 West Coast 17 13 12-0-1 103 57 34 137 40 18 24 1 20 1 37 20 11 74 73 20 38 11 4 Jesse Hogan 152 goals in his first 4 years in 71 games. Josh Kennedy 90 goals in his first 5 years in the AFL in 67 games. Jesse averaged 50% more disposals in those games as well. I think you are the one that needs to feel really embarrassed. Also I was rubbishing the get rid of Hogan thread. I never said he would have made a difference yesterday, so don't change the meaning of my post. I said he could be our Josh Kennedy and people want to get rid of him. He is on better track than Josh was at the same stage.

Why are we talking about May, he is apparently off to the Pies.

He wouldn't have been the difference clearly, but he played better yesterday than our 2 key forwards and for that matter our 2 key backs and he wasn't even on the ground.

Don't think our FD share your hope. See what he does today.

Because you posted this " Who was the guy who started this thread?" I did. I answered by quoting a line from the Dobie Gillis show, used by his friend Maynard G. Krebbs, whenever he was called by anyone. Just to educate you further, you can win a prize if you guess without looking it up, what the G in his name stood for.

Disagree. Only line breaker with pace on the list. We need more pace not less.

And finally people catch up with me. Now regarding Casey in the GF, we are f....d.

If you look at older players, a lot of them go into a self preservation mode. Lewis IMO is in that mode. He looks around when he is under the ball and his disposal can be poor at times, as we saw yesterday.This is most likely because he is aware of the oncoming contact. I am not saying he is scared, but rather that he is not now the fearless footballer that he was a few years ago. Clarko let him go for a reason. Yes he can play, but clearly not as well consistently, as he once could. He is also doing undisciplined acts, which have cost us, which he probably wouldn't have done as much under Clarko. There is a useby date for every sportsman. We need to work out with Lewis if it is now, or at the end of next season.

No, they will trade Darcy and get May. No one would give them 2 first rounders for Moore.

Welcome aboard my train that has been running for a couple of years now.

If you need proof we were mentally shot yesterday, here are 2 examples to illustrate it. Petracca marks 40 out straight in front and passes to left footed Tyson, a worse shot for goal than him, on the left flank. ANB running straight into goal from 35 out, passes to Weid in pocket with 2 Eagles on him. There were many more because we were belted mentally and played accordingly.

I hope not. The only real pace we have.

Absolutely not.

Ok Wise you are generally positive and I will now go into positive mode. We are better than at any time in the last 12 years. We have some real talent. We have seen that we can play finals, certainly at the G, where earlier this year we were doubting ourselves. Going forward we need to identify areas of improvement. Gawn was done and Preuss would help him no end. Get him. Run and carry is needed. Hopefully Hunt gets back to his best.Maybe Baker can improve. Bring in some run and carry. Skill. Identify those without required level and move them on. Still look for contested players and outside players but identify skill as a major requirement. Pace. Look to improve in that area as well but still with the skill requirement. Try and find another Jeffy type. Cone back next year with real hunger.

Totally disagree. Would not have entered their mind. The aim was a GF not to play a particular club. I think it is more to do with being worried about losing to Eagles and not playing their game but being pressured into mistakes and then losing total confidence in their basic abilities.

What I find disappointing in addition to the fumbles, skill errors, brain fades, dropped marks, slipping over and general pathetic footy from us was the lack of aggression. 34 tackles is a record low in finals over the last 10 years, that from a hard, contested footy side. All it takes to tackle is effort. Also when the game was basically gone in the 2nd half and both teams knew that the Eagles would play in the GF, the Eagles players continued to be aggressive to us and manhandle us and get in our faces, while we gave NOTHING back. They would have been worried about being reported, so were never going to go over the top, but we did NOTHING and gave NOTHING back. My capital letter are probably more aggressive that we were on the day. Where was the fight, anger and aggression that you would expect, if you were being embarrassed in front of the whole footy watching public. We were basically meek and IMO just gave up. We were unable to outscore a side in the second half, that was intent on not getting injured and already thinking of the GF. That was really pathetic from my viewpoint. Yes we had a great year and while a loss is ok, a humiliating one is hard to accept, from a side who promised to give everything in the game and actually gave very little. Last, to finish my little rant, I have banged on on DL for years about needing pace and skill and we still do. I am actually sick of hearing about players who under pressure clearly are not up to it, that they run well or can lay a tackle .Some of the poor decisions and skill errors yesterday should not be glossed over. Yes players can have a bad day and some had their worst, but there are those and I won't name them, as I don't want to be called a hater and I don't hate MFC players, who have these days every time the pressure is on and we just need to keep getting better. All in all a great year by the boys.

I think the problem here is that Jordan was brought in because of his experience and finals nouse and today, he, himself, started the rot. He turned it over with a shocking handball for a goal, he then did it again, he then belted Ryan in the guts for another one and then gave away a 50 for stupidity and another goal. He seemed to go half hearted at the contest a few times as well. Most on here are furious with that. As someone said he was given 1/10 by a Journo for today's effort. His bad play and resultant goals started the rot and yes we went downhill from there. The team was putrid, but IMO and many others on here, he started it. Confidence can be lost in momentum and he killed it. I am not knocking Jordan, only his game today. TBH, I think he would agree.

Yeah, who needs a talented forward who could turn out to be the next Josh Kennedy.

Well looks like I got it right, we were f....d, over.

Yes what is it with that? Multiple Dees players falling over and costing us turnovers and goals. This is not the first game that we seem to be playing on ice.

Great year and proud of boys except for today which was terrible.

Just lulling then into a false sense of security.

Give a team the ball and they kill you. Turnovers destroying us. Also getting smashed in contested ball.