casey scorp

In 2 weeks the Melbourne football club commences it 2009 pre season training, I assume all skill season will be at Casey

No announcement as yet of an agreement between Casey Council and MFC.

will our football department be out there with our gym. Look from a far that we will be using the Junction for a little longer.

There's no room in the current gym, and the new one hasn't been built (or even started). Not a little longer - a lot longer!

I think you're right on the money there BB.

The connection with the Casey community has started - Chris Connolly was apparently at the Cranbourne Chamber of Commerce AGM as guest speaker last Wednesday night.

He will no doubt have been as passionate as ever, and have inspired people attending with the possibilities ahead.

Players attending draft camp:

http://afl.com.au/Development/NABAFLRising...77/default.aspx

Hailebury: Lynch, Vickery, Smith and another guy

Actually two other guys - Kyle Martin and Tom Scully

http://afl.com.au/Portals/0/afl_docs/Devel...s-Teamlists.pdf

I saw a couple of the U18 games at Casey Fields and Michael Hurley (Vic Metro backman) was the one that impressed me.

No updates.

A good thing or a bad thing?

Have they signed the contract yet? I know the council agreed to the proposal - that was documented - but it's been quiet since then. Someone in this thread did mention the lack of any communication, I guess when the contract is signed there will be an announcement? I hope so anyway. Considering preseason is only a month away - they had better get the lead out!

I guess there'll be a lot of hoopla when it's all signed up, but it's been awfully quiet.

Handy to the freeway.......if you don't mind driving through residential streets to get there (and the residents can put up with traffic and intrusion).

Hardly..Belvedere parl al but faces Seaford Road..and straight onto Freeway..easy..

If I recall correctly from when I visited the site a few months ago, 500 or 600 metres into the residential area off Seaford Road, BUT, I don't think you can get out of the most direct route back out to Seaford Road and turn right back towards the freeway. I think you can only turn left.

It won't be convenient, and interestingly, the Council has put in speed humps on other roads to discourage their use as ratruns to get back out to the freeway interchange.

A move, not to Frankston , makes far more sense to me for StKilda.. They arent aligned with Frankston and so that must have loomed as some sort of conflict. Mind boggles as to what Belvedere Park will become

Handy to the Freeway ...and By-pass.. if ever built :angry:

Handy to the freeway.......if you don't mind driving through residential streets to get there (and the residents can put up with traffic and intrusion).

Handy to the bypass.......yep, it'll be just over the fence.

St Kilda gave away its opportunity to get to Casey Fields, and the door opened for MFC.

St KFC should now go back and talk to Kingston Council.

Anyway that's St KFC's problem....let's concentrate on Casey for MFC. When will that move formally be announced?

Perhaps somewhere closer to a train station.....have a look where it's been built....on the outskirts of Cranbourne on the Berwick Cranbourne road....the complex is nearly 4 kilometres from Cranbourne station...if that's good planning we'll disagree....as with many new estates around Melbourne, there is little infrastructure in regards to public transport...Cranbourne is just another example...

Firstly, where do you think the Council would be able to buy, at a reasonable price, 70 ha (170 acres) of land?

The reality is that recreation facilities like Casey Fields could not be established in the vicnity of existing railway stations for two reasons:

1/ most land near existing railway stations is already developed and there would simply not be enough clear land available

2/ land in more established areas costs a lot more per hectare to buy (to the extent that a large parcel of land like Casey Fields would be unaffordable).

Secondly, good planning requires a bit of vision.

There is likely to be a future station at Cranbourne East when the line is re-opened. The road network will improve as development occurs. Casey Fields will be an open space jewell in the urban environment of Cranbourne East.

While Casey Fields looks like it is out in the sticks now, come back in 10 years time - the transformation of the area will have been dramatic.

Casey Council is in for some difficult times over this landfill saga...possible class actions from irate residents....

There were two issues in the one appeal - proximity to the landfill and tree removal matters. Try reading the VCAT decisions.

This is an explanation from the Council regarding the two decisions:

http://www.casey.vic.gov.au/stevensonsroad....asp?Item=13561

This is the first decision (VCAT overturned the Council decision on landfill issues in May 2004):

http://www.vcat.vic.gov.au/CA256902000FE15...ge_may_2004.pdf

This is the second decision (consent order on vegetation removal issues in September 2004):

http://www.vcat.vic.gov.au/CA256902000FE15..._v_casey_cc.pdf

It is really quite straightforward, but there is deliberate misinformation as people with agendas try to implicate others while other parties try to avoid blame.

While I say it is straightforward, there are some confusions created by a bit of ambiguity in the second decision as well as some missing words.

I've been to Casey Fields 4 times so I have a good idea of what it is like ...and as I've said before...it's a great facility in a crap location...

If it's a crap location, where do you believe Casey Council should have built Casey Fields?

For any interested a very lateral submission to the recent Eddington public inquiry profered the idea of a connecting line utilising the Cranbourne extension to Clyde and then heading East to link up around the old Langwarrin site forming a outer ring to Frankston. Quite visionary I thought.

I'm very interested in that submission.

This is the link to the index page of the various 2,147 submissions:

http://www.transport.vic.gov.au/DOI/Intern...5E?OpenDocument

Could you identify the submission number of the submission you refer to so I can have a squizz.

Not committing to an extension is not the same as severing the relationship..........Sandy ended it by joining with St Kilda. Sandy didn't even offer the MFC the courtesy of letting them know before publically announcing they were going with St Kilda.

There is a very real difference between not committing to an extension (no definite decision yet made either way) and severing a relationship (it’s all over red rover).

It was the former which Melbourne did – it was the latter which Sandy did.

From what you’re saying Sandy didn’t tell MFC prior to the announcement. Likewise St KFC did not tell the Scorpions.

MFC have not signed any agreement with Casey so I cant see how it could state that it was moving.

Not having signed anything didn't stop the Demons proclaiming the imminence of a move to Casey. A large article in the HS on March 28 quoted Chris Connolly at length on the matter under the headline "Dees move out to Casey" including:

"We will be at casey, full on, for two years".

"It hasn't been ticked off, but we will put an extension on (to the existing facilities at Casey) and make it work".

"In October, we'll get our footy department out there full time".

Full marks for enthusiasm to CC, and it certainly got a lot of other people enthused, but it spooked Sandringham.

Really it's the same as VFL park; right area, right gowth potential, right market. Sorry, can't get to it, let's pull it down.

No rail; fail!

Lucky it's only going to be a training base for MFC.

It's not like Waverley Park at all - next to Casey Fields is the closed Leongatha Railway line. The rail corridor already exists, and its just a matter of relaying the tracks, upgrading road crossings and building a station/s.

The train station is one thing i've wondered about since i ran about 3 km to the ground from the train station on this years 411 degree day when we played north.

You shouldn’t have run 3km…….there actually is a bus that meets each train, and travels to Cranbourne East. It currently drops you about 1km from Casey Fields. Hopefully its route will be extended as more development occurs, and drop patrons at Casey Fields.

The bus is a “Claytons” train – although an extension of the rail line was promised in the 1999 election by Bracksie, it has never been delivered. Instead they put in this bus route, so you have to pretend your still on the train.

Has there been any word on whether or not the station will be built, and I suppose more to the point, when it will be built. I'd have thought it'd be hand in hand with development of the ground

As I said above, the station was promised in the 1999 election, but not delivered. It has since dropped completely out of the governments public transport strategy – it does not appear in the 2030 transport plan (called “Meeting our Transport Challenges”).

However MOTC is struggling to meet our transport challenges already. So it will undoubtedly be substantially reviewed. I’d be surprised in the Cranbourne East station doesn’t do a Lazarus.

Rather than a station being built as Casey Fields develops, there is a greater argument to have the station hand in hand with residential development. Population growth will drive everyday use (instead of just on event days).

Were you the one counting the crowd at our NAB game?

The figure was released by the AFL, and also reported by the Council (as you referred to in the link you provided).

And, although I attended the match, I didn't bother counting.

Will it? Multiply the number of patrons that attended the NAB Cup game by 10 and I think there'd be some trouble

6,000 x 10 = 60,000

I don't think there's much prospect of that many attending a match at Casey Fields. A boutique stadium at Casey Fields seating 20-25,000 for matches against Western Sydney, Freo, Port Adelaide and the Gold Coast is the ultimate possibility for Casey Fields. While there has been additional parking provided during this year, and will be adequate for NAB matches, there will be a necessity for public transport to be improved for AFL matches. While buses can be provided from the train station, the metropolitan rail service should be extended to Casey Fields to also support the rapid residential growth which will occur in the area over the next 10 years. There are some good synergies coming up which should help the sports complex and MFC.

True...and Casey are my smoky fto win the Grand Final...

However, Sandy's recent record in the finals is far and away the best...we'll see if the Scorps can even match, let alone beat that record

Agreed...I think it will be a long time until any tyeam matches that period of domination by the Zebs.

Of course, Casey Scorpions presently have more important matters to attend to as they are in the VFL finals.

I see that Archie Fraser (St Kilda FC CEO) has said that the club is focussed on finals, and therefore won't be responding to the Frankston Council's rejection of the St KFC proposal to overcome the funding shortfall (ie that Frankston Council stumps up a whole lot more money).

It's just absolute bollocks - any club can do more than one thing at a time.

Scorpions management (as distinct from the footy dept, which will be very firmly focussed on the finals campaign) can certainly manage the administrative side of the finals campaign as well as talk alignments to MFC.

Enjoy the trips to sunny Cranbourne and the Casey Scorps...

Start visiting Casey Fields today (Saturday) MFC supporters because unlike Sandringham, Zebraman, we're in the FINALS!

And MFC supporters just ignore the fact that some of those players running round in Scorps guernseys are actually Saints players.

To be brutally honest....two words come to mind.....

GO SCORPS !!! :D

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I believe the deal with Casey hasn't been done yet and the preferred aliment is with Frankston, but Frankston are holding out for a better deal than the one offered.

Well just have to wait and see if the offer becomes good enough for Frankston to change it's policy of standing along and giving local kids a go!

Why would you believe that MFC would want to align with Frankston when they want to move to Casey Fields?

The only way that MFC would align with Frankston would be if MFC established its base at Frankston Park.

Given that the Scorpions are swinging $350,000 from works on the outer side of the ground to help build the Casey Fields pavilion extension to accomodate MFC, I don't think a move to Frankston or an alignment with the Frankston VFL club is on the cards at all.

I think, if this suggestion has really been raised at all, it has been done mischievously (not necessarily by melbfc).

Very interesting that the Council have valued the MFC Community Partnership contribution as $653,000 per year for ten years. I wonder how they have arrived at that sum. Whether that is a $ cost the MFC have to outlay or whether they have put a cost on the value of the MFC players doing community work. The later is ok but the former would be a major issue for the club in it's current financial state which is likely not to materially change over the next few years.

In the report is the following comment:

The value of the Community Partnership has been independently established by a consultant experienced in sports and community programs.

The Council has got a consultant to put a value on the various things MFC will do in the community (value for players attending etc, which can be readily valued by people experienced in those things it seems).

While there is no doubt some direct cost involved in some of the program components, most of it would be "in-kind" involving no actual expenditure by MFC.

A win-win!!