Its Time for Another

What say what. Don’t tell me you’re complimenting the Tim Lamb that there’s 8 pages on here discussing sacking because he’s no good. The same Tim Lamb that did a similar trade last year to move up picks and get Tholstrup.

Yep for one season then the next two our midfield and clearance work dropped off a cliff. Evidently he couldn't develop and adapt

This is a great question. Think about some of the Premiership assistants we have brought in. The 2010 Collingwood Premiership midfield raved about their midfield strategy coach, especially Pendlebury. That of course was Neeld. Then we all, especially me, dreamed of getting the Hawks three peat midfield coach, Yze and by the end that didn't solve our midfield issues, now we've got the Tiger three peat midfield coach who the jury appears to be a bit out on after this season after our ball movement and i50 delivery are as bad or worse than ever.

It's an interesting question. I have read that they provide $1mill a year to MFC as an MCC sports section. As we know the MFC Admin is housed in the MCC I'm guessing at heavily subsidised rent. The MFC also have access to some corporate boxes. No idea what that deal is. I have no idea why the MCC do all of this. Surely not just because the MFC is called a sporting section of the MCC but maybe. Does anyone have any idea.

And of course the list manager at the head of the list of sackings

We'll have to agree to disagree on Jordan for the reasons I previously stated. Still got nothing to do with the list manager. But go ahead and continue to call for his sacking. The Grundy failure was down to one person and that wasn't the recruiters or list managers or Grundy. It was by his own admission Gawn who failed miserably to maintain his form as a forward from the previous two seasons. But again its a forum feel free to spout venom and call for sackings of the people who weren't responsible. There's an epidemic of that going on around here at the moment,

Oh come on this is starting to get ridiculous. Now it's the List Manager's fault who gets picked to play. JJ wasn't good enough to be in the top 22 or 23 last season.He went off badly. Lost his pace, decision making and skill also went right off. There were many players ahead of him. Having said that they didn't want him to leave and tried to get him to stay. He left because he wanted better opportunities. The penny dropped after failing at one club and he worked his [censored] off over the summer and came back physically transformed. Swans had an opening for his role. He's had a wonderful season. Who could have predicted that Sparrow would be so terrible this season. So blame it on the list manager. Seriously. As for Grundy. You can't be serious. We all know why he left. But yeh blame it on the list manager. We got the picks we got because Swans took over $700+K off our salary cap. We got an average pick 48 last year but we also got their 2nd round pick this year.

Did he though. Below average in every stat. Only 5 hitouts average per game.

I see I finally convince you it's about recruiters finding players not List Managers . That profile name certainly matches your posts. Well picked.

You're right but name the ruckman who was available and wanted to come to MFC that they missed. They tried several but which ones would come to us after the Grundy debacle

I asked a pretty simple question. Name players who could or would come to us not ones that wouldn't. And in the context of you giving examples that justify wanting to sack the list manager. You haven't done that. Henry wanted to go and play with his brother and live around Geelong, Bowes was a unique situation where they could absorb an absolutely ridiculous overpayment for an average player, Stengle we would never have taken on because of his off field issues and having been sacked by two teams (People like you would have been screaming for the List Manager to be sacked if we'd done that), Bruhn wanted to go live on the surf coast and wasn't what we needed at the time same with Humphries. Mannagh is a brilliant pick up. So sack the list manager because another team plucked one player out of the VFL. We went hard for Meek but he didn't want to be playing at Casey behind Gawn, Ginnivan was a life long Hawks supporter and was desperate to go there, Amon was on a huge contract they could absorb as they had heaps of salary cap as a young team, D'Ambrosio has been a revelation, probably his best season of his career. I wouldn't have taken him on expose form before that. But yeh go ahead and sack the List Manager for that one. We're having a discussion about why you want to sack the list manager. Thank Goodness you're not running the club we wouldn't have anyone there. They'd all be sacked even though other people have the role. They're not excuses they are explanations of why they got best available players for specific roles that had to be filled. I'm not denying the trading since Langdon has been a massive failure except for Hunter who was fine last year and we have to wait and see on McAdam once he's fully fit with a pre season under his belt Fullarton has obviously been a bust. I'll wear your shame of not blaming the List Manager and demanding he be sacked for recruiters not finding better players. I don't know how it works but Jason Taylor obviously has an unbelievable touch for drafting, I don't know if he or others are responsible for trading. I think Kelly O'Donell is supposed to scout other teams or maybe that is for game day. If there is someone responsible for trading then they should be looked at being moved on. Unless it's Jason Taylor in which case they need help on the trading side

Yep. Absolutely clueless. Again just to clarify, Lamb is the List Manager, not the recruiter. Do you think he sits around all day at football grounds watching players. No, that's the recruiters job. He identifies with the FD and the recruiters what holes there are in the "list"and then it's the recruiters job to go and find them. It's not his fault if we don't have the salary cap space they are demanding, it's not his fault if they want to live on the Surf Coast, it's not his fault if their Club is demanding too much for a trade. Of course it's undeniable that our trading since Langdon has been a bust. Except Hunter who was ok last year and injured this year. Every player we have recruited in that time has filled in exactly the holes that have been identified. Obviously there haven't been key forwards out there. You have to turn over at least 6 list places a season. So what do you do experts suggest? Not recruit anyone because there's no one good enough or get someone in who can fill the role and get the FD's advice on whether they think they can work wth them to get the job done. It's so easy to run around on keyboards demanding people get sacked when they are probably excellent at what they do and some things aren't their fault. Graham Wright might have done a lot worse job. Who knows. As for your individual examples. McAdam was exactly what we needed and has shown he is extremely talented and plays small and tall. He was injured the entire pre season and over half of the season. It's way too early to make a judgment on recruiting him. Fullarton evidently has been a massive fail. But again he plays exactly the role we needed which was Lamb's job. It was the recruiters who found him and the FD who thought they could work with him. Billings had 3 brilliant seasons at the Saints and has been injured every season since. He was theoretically exactly what we needed a skilled deliverer i50. There was an expectation by many that he would be back to his best which is very good and just what we needed. It didn't work out that way. I wouldn't be sacking Lamb over these. Your point 2 is a bit ridiculous. Did we have enough depth when Brayshaw went down. If we knew Brayshaw was going down the list management would have been different. Plus Sparrow has IMO been the most disappointing player on the team this season. He was expected to step up into a full time midfield/onball role and went badly backwards. Your point 3. You don't seem to know your own team. Sparrow has spent a lot of time playing half forward not mifdield. .He was meant to step up this season on ball but was a bust a lot of the time . Tell me an instinctive key forward out there we've missed out on that wanted to come to the club. We tried to get Meek but no decent ruck is going to want to come to MFC and play at Casey. It wasn't for lack of trying. I spoke to Goody about Laurie and he is very confident he is going to make it as a good player. Don't think you should sack Lamb over that one either.

Mate put up or shut up. Go through the positions that had to be filled in the past 3 years and show me the players we could have got that we didn't. That means the players that would have come to us that we missed. Players who didn't prefer the advantages Geelong has over every other club in terms of cheap cost of living, it means the money in the salary cap that could be thrown at players at a young list like Hawthorn. That means ruckmen who knew they'd be playing a Casey instead of Gawn in the firsts. Take your five minutes and show them and don't mention any we couldn't get or wouldn't get.

I think it's fair to say looking at the comments on this thread that most people are absolutely clueless on what a List Manager does. He is not a recruiter. He doesn't spend his time scouting junior talent and talent at other clubs. He has to make an ongoing assessment of where the list is in relation to the Premiership window which is probably the single most important judgement he has to make. On the basis of that assessment you decide whether to draft or trade. He has to work out the demographics of the list. He has to manage the salary cap. He has to sit down withe football department to work out under their guidance what players are required in what positions and then finding them is handed over the the recruiters. Yes there have been a series of dud trades in the past couple of years. He doesn't pick the players the recruiters do. He picks what type of players are needed and everyone of the players picked in the last few years have been for very specific list purposes. They would have been best available and with the limited cap space we would have had at the time. To blame Tim Lamb for those choices is plain wrong. There's a lot of hindsight calls going on about players who left. Bedford was given 6 games in his last year. He was good for the first two and horrendous for the rest. Swatted off the ball like a mosquito. Chandler was way ahead of him at that stage. I've watched a couple of his games at GWS he's been just ok. His speed is a huge asset but his decision making and football IQ are not high. Jordan wasn't given games because he was very ordinary last year and there were players ahead of him. Bit rich to blame Lamb or Goodwin for that. I'm obviously seriously in the minority here but I think Lamb's done an excellent list management job. He has kept turning over the list and going to the draft and getting young talent every year. We're not going to drop off a cliff like a few teams like Hawks, Eagles, Pies are heading for a massive one. The list management is in step with the Club's strategic plan to remain competitive long term. There are a lot of reasons why that didn't happen this year. Mainly injuries but to call for the list manager to go because of this year is misplaced.

Steven Smith has decided not to nominate for the Board. Needs a break after just retiring from his legal career. May consider it in 12 months.

I'm hoping McVee will be another one to add to that mix. You can't make a player like Windsor they're born that way. What an outstanding pick by the Guru, Mr Taylor. Wasn't in the top 10 discussion a month before the draft. His skill and more importantly his decision making and vision is very very special. I don't know if you agree @binman but if you look at it so often it's a teams top 3-6 players who do the critical damage. Everyone else is important for executing their roles but that echelon of players in every team seem to be critical. Not entirely different to junior footy. By the way I wasn't commenting on anything you said or didn't say about skill. That was just a separate observation of mine. I will add on a slightly different note that I got to go to the game. It was unbelievable. The atmosphere right from the first bounce was like nothing I've ever experienced before at the SCG. The noise was unbelievable. Heeney said the same thing after the game.

I totally agree with this overview however the skills of their extractors particularly Heeney and Warner is a real point of difference to ours. Goal kicking onballers are becoming a significant point of difference the top teams and we don’t have them. Petracca to a lesser extent.

Anyone know how effective he is when the ball is continuously kicked over his head when he's on the lead or otherwise indiscriminately bombed into the forward line. If he's good at that then pay whatever it takes. Otherwise. Nah.

Do you know that for a fact. Players can elect to require an 18mth contract. Especially likely for someone relocating from WA. Quite likely here. Just read on Zero Hanger that it's a 6mth contract.

Unfortunately Australian lacrosse players aren't fairing too well atm. RiP.

I dream of getting my body fat down to 27%.

Hope he's got night lenses for his shades.

He only needs one decision and intention. Kick em through the middle of the big sticks

Funnily enough I listen to the Pod for the bits between the ums. My son is in advertising and he watches TV programs for the ads. Each to his own.

Going to be a very interesting end of year this year. We are potentially going to be overflowing with cap space and there are no obvious key forwards available to trade in. Players creating cap space are obviously Brayshaw, likely BBB, probably T Mac and Tomlinson. There's going to be a lot of scope to throw a big contract at him, very heavily front ended for next season. If not there's still a real argument IMO to hold him to his contract next season while we are so much in the window and forego the difference between what Crows would offer this year in a trade and what we'd get for compo next season if he leaves as a free agent. Or maybe there will be a bidding war over there with Port and we'll get fair picks anyway.