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24 years?! If you're including as a player and assistant coach doesn't that mean he won on 2010?

Those three late goals dropped Hawthorn below where finished up after their Adelaide game. Mitchell would be furious if that had been the final round.

Hawthorn is 122.7 Collingwood is better at 123.1 If both teams win by a similar margin next week Collingwood gets to stay home and play Geelong while Hawthorn goes off to Adelaide. Surely "any top 4 will do" is BS. On top of that Brisbane could easily beat Hawthorn and teams below the Hawks might overtake them. Hawthorn very easily could end up interstate in week 1 and be eliminated that early. Didyou even look at the ladder?

Guys, are the team playing the same system Goody was trying to implement with the seniors?

I've especially noticed how badly teams do with only 5 days compared to 7 or more. So I half-agree with Wells11. But as the less-rested side is 6days to 8 days or 7 to 9 does the two or three day difference matter less? I would have assumed so. Also, same as playing interstate, teams now have decades of experience and information for coping with 6-day breaks. Aren't teams getting better at this? The rest of what you said I wholeheartedly agree with. Freo and Suns thrashed this week. Collingwood, GWS and Brisbane all also recently had awful days against top 4/8 teams. I want to see Melbourne back at the top. But yesterday wasn't Geelong 2011. It wasn't even the Freo shellacking last year.

I take your point but shouldn't teams be able to handle six-day breaks? Everyone of them has many a year so ones that can't cope are stuffed.

Gee, I sure hope no one thought sacking Goody would automatically have players motivated or unburdened. The last two games have had a lot of the same good and bad stuff we've seen all year.

No, there are so many factors. Many we'll never be privy to.

Umm, Richmond lost by 19 goals in the last round of 2016. You can't base everything off today or recent months.

I'm not sure what you think you read. You just agreed with me!

I'm not sure how the first 2 paragraphs apply to me. I'm only saying that for a struggling team a coach sacking won't necessarily improve things. As for Goodwin I'm sure you know he took a struggling side to a drought-breaking premiership. To claim that's not success is well...... gibberish.

Why would you bring up Essendon and St Kilda?! For a period longer than most marriages, people's full academic experiences and pets' lives Sheedy was Essendon coach. Essendon had stability and it helped them have success. Eighteen years on they've had SIX permanent coaches and even though two had won premierships elsewhere they've barely even limped into finals series. Maybe Scott (also with some success elsewhere) will still turn things around but I didn't expect them to do much this year even without injuries. Then there's St Kilda. Sure, the three coaches between Lyon's stints averaging four years each is better but hardly stable stable. Again another team got a previously successful and again here's evidence it's not a panacea. Clubs rush to sack coaches too fast and plenty find out that even a proven coach was NOT the magic bullet. And of course then they have the potential dilemma of having yet another - a third - coach in four or five years or soldier on with one that hasn't worked out. I sure hope our board isn't there three or four years from now - especially given we had an extremely successful coach.

You said "But some people here have very short memories. They talked about contending for a flag at the start of the year" That's not the same as brilliant? Anyway Goodwin's gone. This is irrelevant now.

So "Google it!"? No! That's just a copout. The burden of proof is on you. Everyone who's ever touched a Sheerin knows about our horror start. What of it? If anything the few that actually expected a brilliant year got a rude awakening.

I'm sure there are years where the inner sanctum know the odds are wrong. Apparently at the start of 21 Goody told Mike Sheehan that barring injuries we'd win the whole thing. I dunno. I get the feeling that a side all set for late September would have had maybe two debutants and three others with games under their belt. Also I really think some forget how a few years ago week after week Oliver and Trac would be in the coaches votes and poll well in the Brownlow. While I wish injuries on no one i'd happily have see 3 or 4 (bar Gawn, Kosi ..) miss big parts of this year in exchange for Trac and Clarry performing at their '22 level.

In fairness you didn't first say "lapping". But otherwise what are you talking about? You think Ross and Goody are comparable?

I wouldn't have agreed. But he's done nothing at the Saints this time that screams out genius.

Indeed. Maybe some on the board expected a top four finish. But our flag odds and to some extent those 5 debutants contradict this.

Can you refresh my memory who was so confident of our prospects this year? We were probably 30 to 1 in March. I know on here some of us were quietly confident. But lots weren't even that! Then we broke some record with five debutants in round 1! Two of those had barely had a month as official players yet still our selectors chose them over our flag-ready warriors?

I sure hope the board didn't rely on speculation like that!

If the thought hadn't crossed his mind he would have never said he had the backing of the board. Could you imagine Fagan or McRae saying that? What's comical? Persevering a little longer with a coach who broke one of the longest ever droughts less than four years ago and who hadn't lost the players?

Since Brett Ratten Carlton up to Voss had 4 coaches none lasting more than 3 and a half years. I'm sure those 4 coaches in 8 years has been detrimental to Carlton's progress. IMHO you want stability and long-term coaches. At least Carlton realised this. (Melbourne maybe not)

Yep, it's all about results. Unfortunately it's too much so. You could hypothetically have a team lose 16 games by under a goal - week after week where just one bounce, dropped mark, missed 'sitter' goal or opposition fluke goal, injury, wind change etc etc - and despite ending the year with 6 or 7 wins and those 16 losses and percentage of 130 they start the next year under pressure. That same team may have been the 2nd best too. I'm not gonna claim I know where our team's at and how likely much at the current flaws can get fixed or lessened. But IF we really are not that far off it's incredibly wrong to remove our only living premiership coach for an unknown quantity. The silly thing is if things really fall apart for the next few years the general public will never know that we had actually been painfully close to Goody getting that 2026/2027 flag.

2 of the most important ones have been quite compromised for a year plus. It's disingenuous to leave this out. And correct me if I'm wrong there's not much Goody could have done to prevent Oliver and Tracy's plights.

I saw a Facebook post on Monday from a bookie offering 200-1 that Collingwood miss the finals! Something like 14 or 15 different things have to happen for this marvelous dream to eventuate.