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7 minutes ago, WalkingCivilWar said:

Of course they do. But why can’t we have both like other clubs? Noise AND $$$. 

My kingdom for 2018 finals like supporters 🥲

4 minutes ago, binman said:

It would seem lobb is heading their way too.

I assume they have a third tall, second ruck role in mind for him.

But if naughton stays they will have a surfeit of talss many tall forwards - Darcy (though played back in his first game) naughton, Lobb, Bruce and JUH.

They need a gun defender. Perhaps naughton is worried they'll send him back.

Did Naughton start as a back? I can't remember if WB started him in the backline and then out of necessity he was moved forward.

1 minute ago, WalkingCivilWar said:

You’ve answered your own question there, FTB. It’s that “F” word… FINAL. 

I’ve said this before but it bears repeating (imho, anyways), what pi*sses me off no end is that these people who aren’t turning up for H&A matches for whatever reason, are oftentimes the selfsame people who will definitely attend a FINAL come hell or high water. 

All those problems that stymied them during the H&A season: fear of catching covid, night matches, rain, cold weather etc. are seemingly magicked away come September. Funny, that. 🤔 

Not a bad idea what some have proposed here. Only sell finals tickets to members that go to at least, for the sake of arguments, 75% of the H&A.

2 minutes ago, binman said:

I too have avoided all media since the game - the first time all season, such is my frustration.

But it's crazy - bb marks on the wing with about 2 mind to go, we control the ball and probably win.

And in that parallel universe, I lap up every second of media I can.

Ugh.

By the by, spoiler alert, the short version of why we lost is tbe same as yours. Bad kicking is bad football.

There was also that botched kick by Kozzy (the target was Fritta), right after one of our goals (ANB or BB). We had the chance to be 7 points up, instead turnover and goal against.

3 minutes ago, tiers said:

When, if ever, has a team won a flag with a % so low?

By the end of the season, % is generally a good indication of quality. 106.3 is the lowest of the eight and less than doggies at 10.

I think I read somewhere that the last top 4 team with a percentage as low as the Pies this year was NM. They ended up going out in straight sets (I believe it was early 2010s , around 2013 or 2014)

Disco Turner could replace Tomlinson if we were to lose him 

4 minutes ago, Demonland said:

Whether they should have been awarded or not in another game is questionable but in the context of the frees award to the pies directly in front of their goals they most definitely should have been awarded.

Don't forget there was also the no calls on some of our tackling in our back 50.

There was one goal that came directly from Ginivan dropping the ball while being tackled that was then picked by a Pies player and kicked a goal.

13 minutes ago, Royal Demon said:

Hey guys, love the podcast and the website. I don't post much but I read almost everything on Demonland and I listen to the podcast each week.

Just wanted to get your thoughts on the comments Ed Langdon made on radio the day before the match. As you well know he labelled the Pies a one trick pony and "all Duck, No Dinner".

Comments like this were always going to be used as motivation against him and us. What do you think about those comments?

For me they were not that big of a deal and the Pies took it as an insult.

On top of that their thuggery at the start and during the match is unwarranted. They have anger management issues and umpires shouldn't condone unnecessary violence.

32 minutes ago, Vipercrunch said:

• I think the "Melksham instead of a genuine tall forward" experiment is over.  There were so many times that our small forwards and midfielders easily got to the fall of kicks into the F50 but instead of contesting the mark, took position front and centre expecting one of our talls to contest only for there to be an uncontested mark to Collingwood.  We can't allow that to continue so need to bring in someone to support BBB.  I think Weids is out of chances so has to be JVR or Joel SMith if he trains well.
• No more of Max starting at FF.  Start him in the middle.  Jackson made some costly errors early on Friday and is still a second ruck that can provide some great cameos as the game wears on.
• It's not pooular but I can see why we kick to the pocket.  They went end to end on us after an intercept mark in the middle of our back 50 late on Friday.  That doesn't happen if the intercept is deep in the pocket.
• They broke us down and scored by creating overlap at our half forward area.  Too many bees to the honey pot was often the cause initially then they got the run through the corridor and took it forward at speed which is very hard to defend.  Was it our system not working or was it someone (or several) not sticking to the system?  Whatever it was, it needs work to combat Collingwood and Sydney's ball movement.
• Cold comfort, but we actually got a lot of things right.  I went home thinking that 4 out of 5 times we'd probably win that game.  We won most key stats, kicked for goal badly, watched them kick for goal unbelievably and didn't get the rub of the green with HTB frees in front of goals (the McCreey non call in our goal square soon followed by the red hot call against JJ quite soon after stand out).  The expected score had us winning by 13 points.
• Fingers crossed it is 2018 repeating, with Collingwood playing the role of 2018's Melbourne side, who when playing an exciting brand of footy went to Perth late in the season to beat WCE.  "The Dees played eye-catching footy, moving the ball with pace and putting West Coast's rock-solid defence under severe pressure." was how it was reported.  We all remember how 2018 ended up.

Did we finish 5th that season?

I can still see Collingwood finishing 5th, I think that is more possible and realistic than them finishing 2nd.

They have two really hard games coming, Sydney at SCG and Carlton potentially playing to stay in the 8.

Collingwood can easily lose both and with their horrid percentage it's like they have half a game handicap compared to the other top 4 contenders.

I have two topics in mind:

A) Is it worthy give JVR a go this late in the season? At the very least can be an unpredictable player for opposition defenders.

B) Where have our members gone? I sit in the redlegs reserved area, which is supposed to be sold out. Have only missed a couple of home games and not once the bay I sit has been at more than 50 or 60% capacity (the best I have seen were round 1 and last Friday). I feel us as supporters need to do better 🤷🏻‍♂️

Looking forward to the podcast, need some catharsis after last Friday night.

17 minutes ago, Colin B. Flaubert said:

What did he expect? He tried to pull a Toby Greene in a ruck contest (albeit his knee was out and not his spikes).

What an absolute clown. I remember as well when we got spanked by the Eagles in the 2018 PF, he was mouthing off about how it cost his family as much money to come over from the US to watch the GF as it did our supporters to go to Perth to watch us get walloped.

Let's just say I was bloody delighted when those mongrels got their hearts broken yet again. 

We all know Melbourne is full of champion players (figuratively and literally).

Whilst the Pies are full of Fake thugs.

I see Carlton and can't stop thinking that's where the filth should be in the ladder, whereabouts.

Both teams have similar percentage, started hot earlier in the season with a new coach.

As someone has said before Collingwood is a statistical anomaly, anomalies don't win premierships.

Well we've got ourselves a nice opportunity next week to recover from this week's loss.

Carlton will be deflated and missing some key players (Cripps included). Collingwood plays against Sydney so we could see Collingwood fall from grace next week if they loss, due to their miserable percentage, they could fall to 5th?

Then just one last game to decide our fate against Brisbane at the Gabba. MFC can be sitting 2nd, 3rd , 4th or 5th at the end of it. 

Still a lot to play for!

2 hours ago, At the break of Gawn said:

Get ready to be out numbered again this Saturday night. Blues playing for a top 8 spot and will know this is their best chance. Carlton fans are bloody loud when they’re up and about. 

If we finish 2nd and play someone like Sydney at the G then maybe we can have some dominant fan presence this finals series.

It makes you wonder where's everybody that attended those 2018 finals games?

Our supporters should be more confident and bullish about the team this year than back then.

Don't know, it feels more like psychological and structural/strategy issues for me.

One thing is clear some of our leaders have let our team down in critical moments when the pressure was up.

2 minutes ago, Redleg said:

New rule of the week.

It is fine to pile drive a player's head into the ground, then with another player attack him on the ground, by punching or forcing your fists into his face ( see picture in Herald Sun ), and then have the opposition Captain come in and drive his elbow into his face/head, if that player has made public comments about the opposition.

Just pathetic and laughed at by the commentators, calling it a sign that the Pies had come to play.

 

Pies are dogs, just look at their "role models":

Ginivan 🤮 

Cox 🤮🤮🤮

Even Pendlebury acted like one last night and I always thought of him as one of the most decent players in that mob.

De Goey (indicted in the US for Assault) 🤮🤮🤮🤮🤮

9 minutes ago, He de mon said:

I saw him shaking his hand in pain tonight. I suspect he may have injured his thumb again.

Yeah I saw that too, I think it was the dog called Mason Cox who kicked his hand in the second term.

We got nothing to lose by bringing JVR in.

At the very least he's an unknown player and opposition defenders won't pay too much attention to him. He could potentially feast on smaller defenders and open spaces, while the tall defenders worry only about BBB and Fritta.

Perhaps the same reason Bowey worked last year in our run to finals.

7 minutes ago, wizardinoz said:

Except when he kicked the goal but was putrid for the rest of the game.

And even then he was almost caught, I was biting my nails until I saw the ball being kicked 

3 minutes ago, dazzledavey36 said:

Their crowd noise were insane.

Ours were.. err okay?

Nah, they are flat track bullies. Very quiet until they gained momentum in the third.

We do need to be more loud though, but I think at moments we were. Specially in the 4th, trying to rally the boys to a victory.

Just now, leucopogon said:

Petracca - watch last quarter

There is some absolutely damning vision of him for those that care to review it. Shadow of the player he was last year.

Gawn - take some ownership 

ANB - had a gutfull

Koz - Notabig game player (went missing, just like in the GF)

Cant be bothered, livid with those 4 though

 

Kozzy put the last nail in our coffin.

I believe it was after Brown's goal, we get the ball from centre clearance, Kozzy marks it just outside the fwd 50... Proceeds to butcher the kick to Fritta.

Fritta marks that, we are 7 points in front and gaining momentum.

He needs to be smarter!

12 minutes ago, Dee Zephyr said:

Enough with your obsession about blaming umps, so tiresome Clint. 

He is not completely wrong.

The umpires kept them in the game in the first half, granted our goal kicking deficiency too.

There was also a goal that came from Ginivan dropping the ball, what the F**K is that?!

Cox is a dog 

Ginivan a [censored] 

Their supporters are the worst 

Kozzy, why did you have to kill the momentum?

What happened to our mid field in the 2nd half?

3 minutes ago, Deecisive said:

need to cover the switches, that is what killed us last time we played, we are still playing better than them, and agreed we should be a few more goals ahead as we have had a few easy misses. Need to keep going, need to improve our accuracy going forward. some of those long shots probably should have had a player or two provide a lead as an alternative. hopefully the 3rd will be our best quarter again so that we can draw well clear of them.

It is interesting that Cox was called for sticking his knee into gawn and a few bounces later did the same thing. this is a blatent free kneeing a player who is going for the ball.

I see players asking for the ball but our players seem to be blind to that, just keep bombing it!

We are killing them, should be 6 or 7 goals up. We have wasted too many inside 50 and they get too many lucky goals. We've got this if we keep playing like this.