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Happy with that outcome, as rpfc says: - Delist PJ and TMac get ND picks 49 and 52 - Delist Newton get Rookie pick 90 or something They're different decisions. We need a mature age ruckman somewhere in our 9 picks as depth if Jamar and Spencer are unavailable. Can be a rookie pick. I don't think Newtion is primary ruck depth he's fwd-2nd ruck, it's a different role. Fitzy and Gawn not ready for primary ruck. Martin - who knows? Ultimately if PJ is still there in the rookie draft and he's best available ruckman we can take him. Same goes for TMac - if he's best available at an RD pick we should pick him.

Yep Saints, Cats, Hawks or Dogs should rookie him.

Chris Scott said they're contenders in 2011 and he doesn't believe in re-building, the cycle or premiership window - he says a team can always be in the top 8. I reckon that might be true but that team may never win a flag. It will be fascinating to see if Geelong and Sydney can win another flag in the next 5 or so years. I think if everything went right for Geelong (and went wrong for some other teams) they could win the 2011 flag but I reckon from then on they start to progressively lose key personnel - Ottens, Scarlett, Mooney, Ling, Chapman, Enright and Corey. While Johnson, Bartel, Kelly, Mackie, Taylor, Varcoe and Selwood can keep them in the 8, they cannot win them flags. I think St.Kilda has a wider window - they lose the rucks King and Gardiner who are key to their game plan but the next oldest are Hayes and Milne and they have a couple ofyears left, then there's a couple of years gap to Riewoldt, Fisher and Kosi who will all still be around in 2014. IMO St.Kilda need to draft ready-to-go certainties and go for it. I might even rookie Travis.

calluses?

I usually reserve my "disbelief and anger" quota for decisions more important than Michael Newton vs Rookie Draft pick 90 I hope we retain him.

Yes but it's sort of self-regulating because I think the real prospect of stars, where you really want to pick one is at the start of the first round and by definition the "building" clubs have those picks and get access to Naitanui, whereas the "finishing" clubs have the later first rounders and get access to Rich. It's not a rule though, Geelong was building even though they didn't have pointy picks, and look at Cyril Rioli. Yes a key addition - I had Jurrah 30-95 but where's the mean? McAdam or Franklin?

Peanuts - I am thinking the scoring system is universal so that a mid at 90 is better than a CHF at 80 and vice versa - maybe that's impossible and I'm mad. Can you score current mature players out of 100 on the same scale - N.Riewoldt, Ablett, Sandilands, Hodge? Bob - On the Rich v Naitanui question, I think with top 5 picks you really want to get a star - they're so hard to find, 85 is not star enough (while Scully's 92 is) so I'd take Naitanui despite the risk of a bust. I think that's what happened in reality with Rich too.

Tom Scully - I prefer certainty. I think each player has a range of possible outcomes - this could be represented as a score out of 100. Scully has a high, tight range say 85-92. He wont be worse than 85. Watts (say 75-95) and Jurrah (say 30-95) have a higher maximum potential but a greater range.

"Look, LOOK! Behind you - the witch, THE WIIIIITCH!!!" "And guess what - Dil turns out to be a man!!!" "The guy with the limp IS Keysor Soze" "Son, there's no Santa" Need I go on ....

Agree with this - with the youth obsession some players over 30 are getting retired early. With unrestricted free agency from 2012, uncontracted players with 10 years service will be able to move clubs (there's restricted free agency up to 10 yerars service) http://www.afl.com.au/tabid/208/default.aspx?newsid=89810 It would also be good to encourage genuinely delisted 30+ year olds to stay in the game. Maybe clubs could be allowed one 30+yo outside the senior list who was picked up at 30+ and not count their salary in the TPP - these players could be selected in the ND or PSD. That way players like Junior, Tarkyn Lockyer etc could get a further opportunity. There would have to be a mechanism to stop required players e.g. Pav using this mechanism to move clubs - but they will probably use the Free Agency anyway because they can ensure they get to the club they want. Maybe a salary cap on the player selected on this list would work.

Agree that can't be a bad thing - we are abnormally sh!t there and need to fix it!

If each of the 3 "halves" is a match in itself as appears likely then (ignoring draws - extra time?) there's only 2 possible outcomes for a group in terms of wins: 2-1-0 or 1-1-1. I guess percentage will separate the latter outcome and percentage will decide the 2 wildcards into the next round.

Nice dream - until the alarm went off!

Book early - Hawthorn and Essadon hate each other and it will be Tird's first outing - big crowd expected.

The McDonald decision was a tough one - but look at it this way - we currently have 2 other delists Miller and Bell. We want to elevate McKenzie and Spencer. The trade was going to give us plus one player, not minus one - we were hoping to add Hale, and didn't have Cheney traded. That gives 2 out and 3 on or minus one draft pick! Right now we still only have 2 picks, I'm hoping for four. I bet Bruce wants 2 years but we that doesn't mean we should give it to him. It's a tough world unfortunately as the McDonald retirement proved. If he's required in 2012 we'll give him another year then. The fact is he doesn't free a primary list spot this year or next year because he's a vet but we can elevate a rookie to play if he doesn't sign which I think could be an advantage given our current rucking situation.

Agree with that - and who knows - he might get lucky like Crawf did.

There's all different kinds of tests isn't there? Picking at 12 or trying to decide between Watts and Natanui are two of them - I don't think the second one is less of a test.

If you look through the thread, while almost everyone has a common top 6, they're all in a different order - what does that tell you about picking "best available"?

2 byes per team 17 teams = 34 byes required 24 rounds in total 19 rounds of 8 games (1 team has bye) = 19 byes 5 rounds of 7 games (3 teams have bye) = 15 byes

plenty of fertiliser though Best available is good in theory but there's a many axes of variation "tall"-"short", "guaranteed"-"X factor", "haven't seen enough of"-"seen too much of and focus on what's wrong"

You reap what you sow.

The best therapy for Petersen may be life outside the AFL without the advantages of AFL base pay and the social cred conferred by being on an AFL list. He needs to help himself first and want it - Krakouer appears to have made this step. Not everyone is cut out to make the very significant sacrifices required to be an AFL footballer.

If Frawley did a match day cameo I'd prefer to see him fwd a la Brian Lake than in the midfield.

Exactly! FFS! He thought a two year contract was better than one year just before we thought pick 66 was better than him.

Just post your list