Chook

I'm okay with not getting a priority pick this year because of the Hogan situation. But if we're in the bottom four again next year (which I believe would make it the eighth year in a row), then surely we'd qualify for the utmost support.

So another barrel of money winds up on our doorstep and that's supposed to fix everything? Since when has that ever worked for anyone?

"Underperform" is all relative. I suspect if you cracked the top ten of the BnF in your dreams you'd be over the moon. To actually do it in real life takes a level of commitment 99.9% of people don't have. Perhaps "leadership" is the ability for ordinary people to make extraordinary people out of themselves.

I've always thought of Brad Miller and Chris Dawes as very similar people and players. I rate Chris Dawes as a future senior coach; so given that, I'd expect Brad Miller to be a pretty good coach as well. I like it!

What more can you say that hasn't already been said? "Have my babies Nathan?"

So?

Garlo is miles better than Rivers was even at his best.

Hawthorn would have gone from celebrating prematurely to crapping their dacks in the space of about fifteen minutes tonight. And I've come to the conclusion that Ross Lyon is wasted in the football industry. He should be dispatched to the Middle-East immediately, because he'd have the place sorted out before Christmas.

All right. Let's be perfectly honest with ourselves here. Melbourne will never display pressure anything like what's going down right now over in Perth. We might as well give it up right now.

If it were up to me, I'd just go 1 plays 8, 2 plays 7, etc. Knockout until the Grand Final.

If other clubs are pizzed off at what we're doing, then we know we're doing the right things. Everybody hates it when someone gets in the way of their best interests, and in the AFL everyone's best interest is in winning a premiership. Therefore anyone who's mad at you is mad because you're getting ahead of them in the race to the top of the mountain. Keep it up Dees!

I see what you're getting at and generally I agree, but sometimes this blokey stuff can be okay. For some reason that I can't quite explain, I prefer the Saturday night team of BT, Darcy and Richo over the more standard white bread Friday night team. It's kind of like sitting by yourself at the footy and eavesdropping as a bunch of drunk yobbos spout garbage all night; it's unintentionally hilarious and somehow makes the game just as enjoyable as a well-analysed game of footy would (though obviously in a very different, almost "guilty pleasure" kind of way).

Psyche myself up for the Breaking Bad finale.

Did they seriously say that?

The Dalai Lama wouldn't celebrate after kicking a goal no matter how unexpected it was. But I agree that you don't celebrate things you expect to do, so that could be a perfectly legitimate reason why Hogan didn't celebrate either.

WAH WAH WAH!!!

How is NOT celebrating something "arrogance?" Last time I checked, it was called "humility" (i.e. the opposite of arrogance).

I agree with you on the goalkicking. One year a team is going to spend every available second practicing this most important skill, and then they'll win the premiership despite being a statistally average side. 15.10 beats 10.25 every day of the week.

I actually think he's been great. His biggest weakness is that he can't play on Hale types, but other than that he has been influential all night.

So you agree with me then. Inconsistent. But who else is loving this Hawthorn failure? I know I am.

Are you taking the mickey with the holding the ball comment? Both Geelong and Hawthorn have been rooted by the umpires' inconsistency when it comes to htb decisions. It's probably evened out in the end though, so I guess nobody has been disadvantaged particularly by the poor umpiring.

I would love to see how a so-called "shitcoach" would do if given the reigns of a top of the ladder side. I suspect he'd do MUCH better than people would generally assume.

I think you can go ahead and put that on the "Fact" thread, Jack.

Can we please refrain from using the initials JT to refer to anyone but Jack Trengove. He was first, and has thus earned the sole rights to those letters. I don't think I could handle another player being referred to as JT. My small brain couldn't take it.

Gun in the making. Prove me wrong.