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When you are injured for your entire first year on an AFL list as an eligible player.

If we are being pedantic - it was his second year...

I don't think it will be that many - unless we find homes for Garland, Howe, and Grimes. But even then you are looking at bringing in some very speculative talent in the back end of the draft or finding some limited players in Delisted FA. Cross and Jamar retiring, M Jones and Terlich being paid out, the aforementioned three moving via FA and Trades, and the deletion of McKenzie, Hunt, Bail, Riley, Michie, and Fitzpatrick would be the maximum I can see and that is 13. Not much room to move. You can also compare them to what they would bring in: 1. Mckenzie/Vanders 2. Bail/ND5 3. Terlich/ND27 4. Hunt/ND47 5. Jamar/ND66 6. Howe/*Trade Pick and/or Player* 7. Cross/Harmes 8. Fitzpatrick/DFA1 9. Garland/*FA Pick 10. Grimes/*Trade Pick and/or Player* 11.Michie/DFA2 12. Riley/ND86 13. M Jones/DFA3 The above are in some sort of 'desire to keep' order but the value return disappears in my opinion at Michie for the second delisted FA, we might see the back of more than that but I doubt it. I would keep Michie and Riley around but the latter hasn't played much and that isn't a good thing in a contract year - the return on the 11th change onwards isn't great.

Getting a deal done before the new TV deal landscape changes is the perfect time to do it because a huge pay day will be immediately alleviated when the cap goes up. It will move from $10.2 to at least $13m or $14m over one or two years I think, especially if the AFLPA get a percentage share that they gag for. So suddenly Hogan at $1m a year over 5 years goes from 10% of the cap to nearly half that as the cap progressively increases. One thing to note - I think that the TV money will mean that all players get more money but the largest increases will be for the ~50 best and most important players.

That's a much healthier stance than those that just want to trade him 'for a bag of chips.' He has been good for a couple of months now while more highly touted 'stars' are crashing and burning the place down. Of course he is tradeable but he is also becoming more and more valuable as a footy player.

Or those that just see it as list management decision made with facts in hand and reason. I agree that that is how we will see it but it would be best to stop seeing everything through a predetermined lens.

In light of the 'debacle' of this season - it is interesting to note that Roos will push the amount of players he has moved on to over 30 this summer. There are 44 places on the list... ...

You are just settling old scores and trying to justify the hate you had for a bloke that has pulled his finger out. He was one that actually wasn't in Bali yesterday, why he gets added to your list only you know.

That interview, that you can't quite remember, also had Hogan extolling his belief that the team he plays for will be 'pretty special' in a few years time and that he is keen to stick around for that. The more you worry him into a commitment, the more you will worry him into leaving. I hope the club isn't as desperate or involved in as much shadow jumping as the fans are.

Stop anytime now...

He is at the club for the next 48 games guaranteed - there is no rush. The next deal can be the huge one.

That thread didn't have much about NevJet...

Really didn't need that last line. When someone boils down another's argument to an asinine level - you are essentially saying that the people who are on that side of the argument are asinine. So to answer your underlying question - No, jnrmac, I don't think all people who 'boo' people/things are racist.

Well that was depressing, thanks t_u. We went through the 'depths' of winter for years without a win? I can believe it...

And again... The change is here. It's a little late to be forewarning... Garland has been nothing but a pro, and if Roos and co. deems him as a required player I have no qualms as I can see reasons why he would be a required player. You cannot see that and that is fine but you should stop trying to intimate that those of us who can see him getting another contract are somehow detached from, or rejecting of, reality or the issues the club faces - it demeans your argument(s) about past attitudes, talent, and skill level.

Not sure, how short is our memory, or how revised is our recent history, I guess.

I sincerely hate this type of language, h_h...

What will the contracted Dawes wear? Surely, no-one else will trade for him?

Well, I am glad it is such a fait accompli. Any idea yet of the number he will wear?

Gotta blame somebody.

If Nathan Jones is cut of a different cloth and immune from the Melbourne disease that we have to rid ourselves of, why can't Garland be cut of that cloth? He was always consistent amid the nonsense and bounced back this year with some better footy than 2014. I agree that our list has been trained to be timid and inert since Bailey left but it is bordering on ridiculous, stmj, when you say that everyone must go regardless of form or talent.* *except Nathan Jones Garland isn't some mercenary, he doesn't play like a bloke damaged by past failure, he has looked a model professional, he shadowed the recruiters for a year when he did his bone in his foot, he built a career and held a leadership position, and as discussed previously, seems to have a solid relationship with the bloke we have put in charge of breaking us from our malaise.

Well, no, that list of around 10 deletions have a few AFL standard role players that when you get rid and go to the draft and draft poorly you end up with what we have already experienced when we did this from 2007 to 2011... Been there, done that. Bitter experience tells me - you can have too many kids.

Trengove just got re-signed for 2016. So, nah. And what do you think we would get talent-wise using ~10 picks in the draft? You'll probably name them in a similar list to get rid of in 12 months time.

How is that? How would you reform the Academy player bidding system?

Good lord, if Prestia is available and we don't offer ND5 I would be disappointed. If we had a talent like that and someone offered ND25 and the right to overpay Howe - what would you say? Think before you post.