Half forward flank

Bad omens everywhere

Blues had a general warm up, our forwards all kicking for goal as if their lives depended on it

Last week Pies practiced bouncing the ball and other moves to watch the ball move off the ground. We make no practice adjustments.

And then we have a welcome to country recognising 65,000 indigenous ownership before the National anthem singing , we are young and free..

14 minutes ago, Fork 'em said:

Ya know what.
I hate watching us play.
There .... I said it.

No flair, no dare, just dour, scrappy, fumbly forken sheet.
Week after forken week.

I refused to watch the Swans under Roos.
Aints and Dockers under Lyon.
And now I'm stuck watching our BS under Goodwin.
We're supposed to be good, but my god we're garbage to watch.

Good point. Our style is what i hated about those sides. 

Tommy Mac has been a great Club servant. Only thing i blame him for is declaring himself fit for a tough finals campaign.

Goody had to pull the pin on him in last, I actually thought the third.

Only thing i blame  Viney for is being on the ball for so long. Goody had to give other mids opportunity during the year. 
Only thing I blame Max for is not remonstrating more with the umpires as he is getting held and bashed. 
Only thing I blame Goody for is..  well one is the automatic choice of our wings all year.

i enjoyed the season, it didnt roll our way and the path ahead is bright with some good off season work, players and coaches.

one final thing has anyone ever seen a coach give any kicking advice at a break

3 minutes ago, Chook said:

I'm at home tonight as I've come down with a cold and my voice is shot unfortunately. With nothing better to do I've looked at last week's performance from every player and put a rough percentage of improvement we can expect from each (and in a few cases lower performance), and it looks pretty positive. Given we dominated much of the game but couldn't get over the line, the amount of growth in the group looks like we should be able to get the job done.

From my very unscientific analysis, the players we're most dependent on improving their performance from last week are Viney, Langdon, Pickett, Lever, and Fritsch. I've got Gawn and Spargo as downgrades from last week's performance (Spargo for van Rooyen, and although I don't rate van Rooyen's game from last week at least he has some height).

Will be nice to have James Jordon for the full game as well, a massive improvement on Angus Brayshaw who decided to take a nap after the first ten minutes and gave us nothing (sorry, bad joke).

 

Interesting

i would have Hunter, ANB and Spargo with a bit more to give, mindful goals are what we lacked. 
the intangible being lowering the eyes indtead of bombing 20-30.

29 minutes ago, Deebauched said:

You can take the lad out of Broadmeadows but you cant take the Broady out of Eddie.

Just another rich TV bogan.

I thought he was better than that but he just cant shrug the Broady boy background.

Obviously his son wasnt born there so his reaction was not surprising.

Not regarded as a broady boy by his broady peers.

On 9/14/2023 at 8:52 AM, whatwhat say what said:

best bit was his kid that's not a nepo journo rolling his eyes and saying "sit down dad"

His kid is ok. Watched him in action as a volunteer. Nice lad. 

35 minutes ago, layzie said:

Hard to get massively psyched, credit to those who are but the deja vu of losing the QF and playing a semi again is draining even with a media blackout and people ribbing you about another potential straight sets exit. Not playing a scrub either, we're playing a side full of belief and 10 wins from the last 11. I don't like pumping up my positivity too much before these games because then you just start tearing your hair out when you aren't smashing them, this really is one of those games you have to just wait and see and pre game talk from commentators really isn't going to add anything. 

At first I thought selection was pretty safe but going all in on Max with a toe issue worries me a bit. Sure we might have something up our sleeve but how often does Goodwin go creativity over system? De Koning was impressive last time.

Then there's Tomlinson, in my view three defensive talls would have been more handy last week than this week. Hopefully it frees up Lever to do his thing and we generate a lot more score from turnover. I would love Spargo to get at least 12 possessions in this game in the wing/HFF area.

I'm past the point of caring whether the method stacks up or not and do not want to be talking about missed shots at goal costing us the game. Make it work, hit them on counters hard, get more running open goals. The pass mark in win, not method. I expect us to take the game on and try to expose Carlton's backline with smarter decision making and fewer dump kicks. We need to start very well and get a lead in this game because if Carlton with their contest game start well it's going to be very hard sailing. There will be time to play the territory game when we've got a lead, I'd love to see us start how we did against Brisbane with fast movement and looking through the corridor. 

It's also been a rough week that would have likely had an effect on the guys. I see two ways this will go, we use it as supreme motivation that you can take to the bank or I see them quite drained and deflated which could cost us. I'd honestly understand either way but man I hope it's the former. 

Just going to enjoy a game of footy tonight with not too many preconceived ideas or expectations, desperately hoping it's not our last for 2023 the year of the Dee. Let's go boys! 

 

 

Understand your feelings, but I am confident and ready to enjoy the night, mindful its going to be stressful.

Excuse my ignorance. I do not usually take much interest in the tribunal. When did unduly rough play stop being reportable? 
As to the knockout i believe it is very difficult to knock out a AFL professional player without illegal actions. AFL players are trained to defend their bodies in milliseconds. In this case Gus did not have time to get in a defensive position because he did not expect an attempted smother to turn into an attack on his body- via a full paced bump. 
Even in the brutal sport of boxing it is rare to see a fighter knocked out for 2 minutes, snd when it happens there are calls for the sport to be banned. I never recall Ali, the greatest to knock an opponent out for 2 minutes. How can we be a modern sport when an action allows this to happen?
 

4 hours ago, Bystander said:

I don't think she has been made to look foolish at all.

In my personal opinion, but as a lawyer with 40 years experience in high court, federal court, supreme Court etc.,the AFL presented it's case very poorly. Also did poor job pushing back on pies submissions. Also, in my opinion, Gleeson has got himself tied in knots and some of his analysis was plain wrong.

But, perhaps I am wrong.

But, what is clear, if it was a correct application of the Rules, the Rules need changing.

Until then, apparently the best way to take out an opposition player is head on just after he has disposed of the ball.

Yes, it has exposed a gap in the rules that I thought was already covered.

10 minutes ago, AzzKikA said:

Oh ok so we insult someone with a different view, how mature of you all.

There is a lot of viewing through red and blue glasses here. I guarantee with 100% accuracy if it was gus jumping into Maynard all of your opinions would be reversed. I hate Maynard and think he is a dirty player but in this instance I don't not believe there was malice. I also don't believe either player is to blame hence the football act.

Don't know why I am bothering as you all will only see it 1 way. Next time I'll keep my opinion to myself so I don't get jumped on for having a differing one.

What has malice got to do with it? Do you think all playing outside the rules is based on malice? Wow. Lets just get a cold hearted recruit with a clinical violent streak to create damage and defend him by saying he is not malicious

2 minutes ago, Handlebarz said:

With you 100% Anyone who’s been on a trampoline knows you can twist at the last moment when you’re about to crash onto the side.

Just can’t believe the tribunal doesn’t understand the public’s horror at such head high acts. A football act … what rubbish !!!

Spot on and especially when two are on the trampoline. You reach out grap the other

1 minute ago, buck_nekkid said:

As much as I love my Demons, and will continue my 25 year premium membership, this decision really tests me.  Can i be a party to a gladiatorial event where young men are severely injured with no repercussion?  My TV eyeballs and my gate fees (let alone my beer money ) should not be voting for or condoning this behaviour.

Gleeson’s direction of the jury was inappropriate and should be the basis of an appeal.

I hope Maynard never gets a premiership medallion, if its not us, then go Lions!

 

It is a difficult moment for me too buck, particularly with a young grandson who already follows the Dees. We have to remain optimistic change will come. Unfortunately the AFL are reactionary and in this case Pies reaction is greater than ours. 
The AFL support every good and feel good cause around. I wonder what the Elder the AFL invited to do the welcome to country made of the hit? 

Put Brayshaw in or near the interchange players seat. Let ever player know that they play for their team mate in this one.

1 minute ago, Stiff Arm said:

Time for the MRP and AFL tribunal to be completely independent of the AFL. No former players, no former officials, no one with ties to the AFL. Completely separate from any one in the AFL

Former players by definition played in a different era, in the case of some even before a womens league was thought of or imagined. History will show this decision as out of step with community standards. 

1 minute ago, dazzledavey36 said:

That's exactly where my mind is at.

I know there's a lot of emotions right now but it's going to get a whole lot worse when there's a camera at Brayden Maynard potentially holding up a premiership medal by the way things are falling into place for the pies.

I can't think of a game where losing last week to the pies will be our 'what if' moment. A missed opportunity just gone begging and now it's the hard road to the top.

Meanwhile pies get an easy run straight to the granny.

Yes. I know we gotta play it week at a time but i cant see us beating Collingwood if we make it without Grundy now. If we dont they will bash, knee, punch Gawn out of the game with nothing to lose. I always hoped Preuss would have progressed with us and been the battering ran to compliment Gawns brillance. Now i would put it to Grundy to play the game/ games of his life and give Gawny a clear path in forward half to chb.

Gotta brace for the fact the Collingwood Army is worth 3 goals and the club is 2 wins from the flag. 

3 minutes ago, spirit of norm smith said:

Jeff Gleeson instructions before deliberating: 

We should judge the evidence fairly and impartially in the light of their (Tribunal members) common sense, their experience of life and where appropriate their experience as footballers. 

No one should be under any misapprehension that, despite the fact we've been going for almost three hours with a minute analysis of this matter, this will be decided on the basis of common sense, a sensible and fair viewing of footage. 

I make absolutely no apologies for the fact that this has taken nearly three hours.

A footballer was concussed and stretchered from the MCG in a final, another footballer has got a couple of pretty important games he’ll either play in or miss depending in part on what we decide tonight.

As importantly as any of that, there are footballers playing today, next year and in the decades to come who need to understand the basis on which this decision was made and the basis on which we approach these matters generally.

It ought not be assumed that this is going to be some watershed moment in the announcement of the duty of care. 

There'll be an analysis of the duty of care specific to this incident. 

One thing I think we've all appreciated from hearing the evidence tonight is that none of us can quite think of a specific factual circumstance that’s identical. 

That's almost always the case. So many of the cases have subtle but important differences from the others.

We're here to analyse this matter and this evidence presented to us tonight and we will take no regard whatsoever of the many and various views that have been quite understandably circulating about the matter.

We’ll decide it only on the evidence.

There's been a common ground about the high bump provision. I just want to make quite clear and give this instruction to myself and my fellow panel members.

When we come to consider the rough conduct (high bumps) provision, it was fairly and appropriately acknowledged by Woods (AFL) that, in order for us to find that this was a bump, there needed to be a voluntary bump, not a bumping into someone, but a bumping of an opponent.

 

THIS IS WRONG. NOT A DECISION BASED ON WHETHER IT WAS A VOLUNTARY BUMP. MAYNARD CHANGED FROM A SMOTHER TO A BUMP  

IT WAS CARELESS. IT WAS HEAD HIGH. IT WAS SEVERE IMPACT. THATS 4 WEEKS.  

And brayshaw was knocked out as well as concussed.

6 minutes ago, Seraph said:

The fact that the AFL themselves (Gleeson) instructed the tribunal to consider the fact that Maynard may miss finals/important games says all you need to know about the whole case.

Are you fair dinkum? Did he say that?

Yes, players act in milliseconds and he would have known instantly Gus had the advantage and won the piece of play before impact. Its really the same as a late spoil from behind. Dont worry Pies need to still play 200 minutes of footy. Who knows what may happen in those two games. 

4 minutes ago, Loose Men Everywhere said:

That’s nonsense - in other sports you can alter position while airborne e.g. diving, gymnastics, trampolining

And in basketball its very common. Guys a fool.

Jack Dyer writing in the book, Wild Men of Football. I ran at him at max revs.  Same here i launched myself at max revs. Except its not the 1940s anymore

I worked at Collingwood social club in the late 70s. In those days the supporters were passionate but salt of the earth working class people. In my time there they copped the Phil Carmen suspension on the chin and also losing the unloseable GF where they were well up and had begun crlebrations at 3/4 time. Nowdays they more a resemble Melb Victory soccer crowd with group mentality 

It was a contest. Brayshaw charging to goal and Maynard defending. Brayshaw won that contest. Maynard knew it and decided to go for  damage control rather than concede. Result is a collision that should never have occured in 2023. In my modest career, first game in seniors I followed the ball from centre bounce to CHB. Eyes on ball, the Methodists fat snd unfit, untalented full back hit me at pace without any intention of going for the ball. Gutless. Fortunate that unlike Gus he didnt get me in the head. 

We have nearly broken this guy but now we all need to build him up to play the game of his life for the team and his own esteem. Time to worry about 2024 later. Go Grundy