Deeko2

I've got a soft spot for the saints with my old man and brother following them and have seen a lot of there games over the years. The above bolded section is a fair summary of his career. Has had so many chances to really make a large impact on a game and very very rarely does. His kicking skills is a myth in my opinion with the majority of these possessions being well on the outside where AFL standard players should not be shanking/turning it over. I have nothing against outside players (we need more really) but continually disappointed with his turnovers and missed scoring opportunities. I can't seem ever changing either as you're not going to overnight improve your kicking (especially goal kicking) and believe if he is in the team, our depth is being considerably tested.

Can anyone tell me if there is there a limit on rounds in the draft if we have extra available list spots? Say no one went past the 4th round and the last pick in the draft was say pick 85; could we then use P86 as the fifth round and then P87 as the 6th round, P88 as the 7th round etc?

I remember reading online so many comments from Adelaide supporters rating him highly and a match winner as a player. The old disclaimer "once he get's his body right" was thrown around a bit as well and I believe one of the reasons he came across was he was upset with the crows medical/fitness team. He was very good with forward line pressure in a few games I remember him playing for the crows so I didn't mind us chasing him thinking he would be a good get and add another exciting dimension to our forward line. There is no doubt he has talent but obviously needs to get significantly fitter, get his explosive power up and hopefully complete a full preseason. It seems unlikely he'll make an impact however as his body does seem quite brittle so I'd be surprised to see him much this year. Not everyone's body can handle the rigour of AFL footy.

I feel like this myself to be honest - would seriously hurt the eyeballs. I'd rather keep him still and pay $200k to full time mentor. Try and get someone like a James McDonald around him to keep him on the straight and narrow. Yes, its an additional cost but I don't really care. Having him at his best is worth it IMO and I can't be bothered going through a rebuild. Should he need a mentor and more support, no, he shouldn't, he's an adult. But some people just need the additional support and sadly, there are always two sets of rules around 'culture' in sporting clubs. One set for the superstars and one set for the remaining players. I have no idea how many stuff ups Clayton has made and refuse to believe some of the [censored] in the media/social media. I find it amazing hearing all of these naughty things he is apparently doing with no footage of it - especially when he is clearly identifiable and the whole world now have access to filming content on there phones. I do know meeting him a couple times that he has a very alert, excited and energised look to him which I think would be misconstrued for him being up to no good. He has had the look to him since he was a child. Anyway, a few weeks ago I think reading here somewhere, he was super keen on a trip to the US or something to get super fit in readiness for the new season. Hopefully he can get through all of this noise and remain 100% committed to this and get back to his best in 2025. I still have faith he can get there.

He heads back home to Echuca every off season for a bit. I was lucky enough to have a quick kick with him as he was running laps around Vic Park (Echuca's home ground) last off season. Other than playing some junior footy in Mooroopna to get into the Bushrangers, I doubt he has many other reasons to be heading to Shepparton. I've had a bit to do with him and think he's a ripper of a lad. Sadly, he'll never have the polish of a Brayshaw, will to be individually the GOAT like Trac or grow a social media/business empire like Gawn. He's just a simple country lad from hard working parents with sadly (sorry Clayton), probably not a great deal going on in his scone. He desperately needs good role models around him to get the best out of him as without these I do worry about what will happen to him career wise.

Admittedly, I have never attended a B&F but the fans do get the chance to occasionally mingle with the odd player don't they? It's pretty sad to say, but I'm actually a bit thankful he won't be there just out of fear of a fan, downing a few too many chardonnays and getting a bit 'passionate' towards Christian and maybe whoever he takes to the night. Might be best just to stay away for now, get himself 100% for next year and allow everyone to fall in love again once he starts playing wonderful footy and we start winning some more games.

I agree with all your post DeeSpencer. Just on the McAdam pick, I don't think any of us expected our team to slide so far this year and expected a top 4 finish at the time the trade was completed. Achieving this would have seen the capital dished out around the mid to high 30's (following compo picks) which is where the value really reflects. I remember when our interested in him was mentioned that I had a lurk around the Crows pages. The general vibe was they all seemed pretty upbeat on him as a player and not super keen on him going. On Lamb, I think this offseason will be seen as a failure already by most. I can't see any talent really wanting to come to our club in the short term until a few well documented challenges are cleaned up. I can see another period of delisting a few NQRs and maybe picking up a couple more NQRs.

IMO, the below are the only ones who I'm backing in as best 22. Still not sold on Petty/Turner as key forwards and we need a ruck/forward to let JVR develop solely as a forward. FB: McVee May Lever HB: Salem McDonald Rivers C: Langdon Viney Windsor HF: Chandler ???? Kozzy FF: Fritsch JVR ???? R: Gawn Trac Oliver* (based on decent preseason) Really, on paper, that team is fine with enough fire power around the pill and enough skill/talent to be be able to adapt to some quicker ball movement. I'd rather Petty heading back as I think that's where he plays his best football which means Lever can go defend a mid size forward although it still leaves us tall down there. Happy with McDonald this year but I still think Petty will go back and take his spot at some stage. Still not sold on Jeffo (sorry PicketFence) but may be scarred from the one game I saw him live last season which was fairly underwhelming. He's obviously came on a lot since then and I do hope he can prove me wrong. I'm still bullish on a top 4/6 spot in 2025 if the veterans (May/Gawn/Viney) can remain at their current levels and we can get Oliver back to his best whilst seeing some further improvements from Windsor & McVee. Just need a clean offseason (from now). We really need a young one to come in and explode on the scene to give us a huge lift but I just can't see any of Tholstrup, Turner, Moniz-Wakefield, Laurie, Bowey, Howes really being much more than role players at best. Here's hoping P5 can hit the ground running.

A superstar player who's enjoyed a great career and is clearly a wonderful leader. Very happy for the positive thread as with so much negativity on the others, it's turning me off wanting to visit the page. We've been incredible with our ruck development over the years in Stynes > White > Jamar > Gawn with quite a few All-Australian nods between them all. I really do enjoy listening to Max speak. He always seems so genuine and just simplifies things so easily removing some of the [censored]. We're lucky to have him and I'm happy he's signed on for a few more years. Even though he's getting a bit older, at least he's not getting any shorter and will be a challenging match up for all opponents until the end of his decorated career. Congratulations on #7 Max.

Not sure if having a club President rock up on someone's doorstep is a good thing. They really need to be separate from the footy department in my view. I can't see why she wouldn't have at least made a phone call to him wishing him all the best in his recovery - especially being our best and probably most marketable player. That seems a big miss for me. It definitely wasn't a wonderful interview but I'm not sure what more can be said at present.

It's always amazing how winning just sees all the negative news disappear. You make some good points Macca about our core group and young players coming through. Right now however I'm so torn between going all out for another flag/s for 25/26/27 or do we just go all in for a big rebuild and start fresh for 2027 onwards. We know that we have some wonderful players in Max/May/Viney/Trac (hopefully) who can really own and dominate September action. So why would we bother wasting there remaining years on a rebuild? I've been one of the few that was in for the Dan Houston trade (admittedly never for the price of two first rounders) thinking that bringing in another gun player, plus a fit and firing Clarry along with Trac staying and getting fit, would see us straight back to pushing for a top 4 finish. I get where you're coming from saying it's not doom and gloom if players mentioned in other threads do leave however. We'll be able to inject new talent into the squad. The old saying around 'a bird in the hand is worth two in the bush' always rings in my mind when trading players for picks however. The only thoughts I have around hitting the draft again is we never know how they will come on against players potentially leaving who we know are exceptional quality. I'm happy for us to hit the draft with our high end first rounder/s (say under pick 12's) but use the remaining for trading in some existing talent.

I don't know if it would start over. The way I see it, the attempted spill is primarily for the racing area. I'd imagine that the centre vacant area strategic plan would still be moving along as it's not mentioned in the article at all. Just my guess.

It didn't mention our development at all. More to do with differences of opinions in the location of mounting yards, the replacement grand stands and the sale of Sandown.

I actually thought this as well. Just sit quietly and let him back himself into a corner where he must be traded and we then have the power in sending him to whoever presents the best deal. I was in the 100% keep until 24 hours ago and now happy to let him go. The off-season could still work out ok if we manage something like: - Trac out for McKay + Carlton future first round - ANB out for Adelaide's second rounder - Our future first out for Gold Coast pick 6 - Carlton future first and our current second round out for Dan Houston So losing Trac, ANB and a future first and bringing in McKay, Houston, P5 and P6 (two gun midfielders) would be a farily amazing result. Doubt McKay and Houston would want to come however and I'd rather players over picks anyway.

No one will take him with his body falling to pieces and there is really no need for the Tigs to move him on. I doubt there are many on big coin at tigerland at the moment with the recent retirements and trades, so they need to pay someone. The only way they would get rid of him would to be continue paying some of his contract and trade him for a high draft pick in exchange. So effectively they'd be buying a decent draft pick which makes sense for them in rebuild mode. The only temptation would be if his injuries were impact/once off injuries. But when its soft tissue and feet, then it's a no go. He'll finish at the Tigs. No one else would be rolling the dice on him.