titan_uranus

Would much rather play GWS. Just go back and look at the second quarter last week to remind yourself of what could happen if we play Geelong. Yes they looked rubbish vs Port but they lost the QF last year and still made the GF.

1 hour ago, Jaded said:

I imagine the pre grand final bye is there to help the winner of the Adelaide prelim to get across to WA to quarantine without it hampering preparation or pre finals events too much. 
It does mean that if Melbourne makes the grand final we would have played one game in 3 weeks which is not ideal. Hope Burgo has a plan. 

It won't matter so much if we win and then Port wins: both sides will have had the same breaks.

1 hour ago, jimbo1982 said:

Example number 897123 that the MRO system and its plethora of fines doesn't work.

4 hours ago, Neil Crompton said:

You’ve got me confused titan. Your last sentence clearly seems to back up my main comment, yet your first two sentences seem to imply a contradiction of that. Perhaps you could explain?

I certainly don’t have any double standards towards Smith. I admitted in my post that I have no idea as to whether he will or won’t make it as a good player. I also said that I trust Goody’s selection reasoning. So where is this so called double standard?

I also certainly never said or implied that Cameron always “tears up everyone he plays on”, I simply said that based on his form in our game, I doubted there was anyone on our list who would have kept him quiet - which you agreed with.

Perhaps you might look at your own biases titan, before questioning mine.

My last sentence is a double negative. What I was trying to say is that I think Smith is the only player on our list who could spend the entire game on Cameron, have Cameron kick 5, and then get praised. Anyone else would be lambasted.

Arguing no one else could have gone with Cameron is circuitous - you take his form beating Smith and then say "well no one else could go with that". But we don't know what a different/better defender could have done by way of positioning, blocking, etc. 

I've openly said I've never rated Smith, but my posts about him are to question why there is so much praise after a player conceded 5 goals to his direct opponent and I think it's a cop out to say "oh Cameron's too good".

2 hours ago, maximum bob said:

It's just gone up a notch. Obviously disrespectful but now also intentional (what a surprise). Greene should get 6-8 weeks on all the available evidence.

If the lily-livered AFL hierarchy ever wanted to set a precedent, now's the time. Think of all the junior umpires out there looking at this behaviour.

This thug has got away with too much in the past.

Time to call him to account.

Actually, if it's considered disrespectful that means under the Tribunal guidelines it is deemed to have been intentional.

Aggressive, forceful, demonstrative or disrespectful means intentional.

1 hour ago, jnrmac said:

I'm happy with 2 weeks

I don't think anyone can be happy if this is 2 weeks, given Viney's was 2 weeks.

Viney at 2 means Greene should be 3 at an absolute minimum.

Essendon is one of the weakest finals sides the AFL has ever seen: there's a reason we talk about 12-10 being the mark for finalists, it's not common at all for 11-11 to be enough. It's no surprise they couldn't compete today for more than a half.

The Dogs didn't play well but had the easy draw. I can't see them getting near Brisbane next week.

8 minutes ago, In Harmes Way said:

Jack Viney got 2 weeks for an “it’s not a good look for the game” incident.

sounds about right.

I'll spew if Greene gets anything less than Viney.

If Viney wrestling with Collins, albeit admittedly taking it too far, is a worse "look for the game" than a player beelining and shouldering an umpire, the game is [censored].

What I have been thinking about today is not so much our A-graders, who are clearly leading us, but the roles that others have signed up to take, and played so well last night.

Players like Viney, Harmes and Brayshaw, who have all over the last three years been pushed out of their preferred inside mid position, been moved around, looked unlikely fits in our best 22 - all of them played their role so well last night.

And players like Spargo, ANB, Sparrow, Petty, Brown - none of them have reached the AA heights of our superstars but all keep putting in the right effort week after week.

Textbook definition of a [censored] bloke.

Just a disgrace of a human on the field, and with his comments about Sandy Hook, off field too.

The sooner he is consigned to the scrap heap of the AFL universe, the better.

Langdon's copped a bit for this. A few St Kilda players have said they're surprised and a number of people on Twitter have posted references to a speech Langdon gave at a Fremantle awards night where he praised Lyon.

To the point where Langdon got in touch with Lyon today to apologise.

https://www.foxsports.com.au/afl/afl-2021-ed-langdon-comments-about-ross-lyon-yelling-at-players-next-carlton-coach-former-fremantle-player-melbourne-news/news-story/9d49503c0fcf1fdc2eb15f447a5657c4

This game is probably the least relevant of the four, as I don't see either of these sides beating Brisbane, in Brisbane, on a six-day break.

Brisbane only lost at home once this year and that was in March.

Having said that, there are great stories either way. Essendon lose and, well, that's the story. Bulldogs lose and you'd be hard pressed to find a side sit in the top 2 for as long as the Dogs did but not even make week 2 of the finals. 

13 hours ago, Neil Crompton said:

To those who are taking pot-shots at Joel Smith tonight, perhaps they could honestly nominate one fit MFC player who would have the speed and agility to have been able to curb Cameron tonight. Cameron had a good night - Joel didn’t have a great one, but he did win some one on one contests with Cameron that no one in our team would have. I have no idea if Smith will ever develop into a good footballer, but I do trust that if Goody has selected him in front of Hibbert, 3 weeks in a row, its for a very good reason. 

This is such a cop-out and IMO serves to show the double-standards on here towards Smith (i.e. he gets treated differently to others).

You're talking like Cameron is invincible and tears up everyone he plays. He doesn't, or he'd be kicking 5 goals every week.

I doubt there's anyone else on our list who could have spent as much time on Cameron last night as Smith did and come away with anything other than a lambasting.

The ridiculous argument some have offered that Stevic steps out of the way and there's minimal to no contact looks to be blown up by this angle.

6 hours ago, BDA said:

Pre-finals bye needs to be scrapped entirely. QF teams know the week break is so important which is what adds the edge to the QF. Taking the advantage away from the Top 4 for the benefit of the bottom 4 finalists makes no sense. Never did.

Agree entirely.

There is a groundswell of support for this in the media.

Might end up with two byes through the year, one at around Round 7-8 and one at around 15-16 or something, but they 100% need to get rid of the pre-finals bye.

Kane Cornes on radio yesterday morning said that if you have done well enough in the first 21 games to be in a position to rest players in the final game because it won't affect your ladder position, then that's a credit to you. I agree entirely. Have a compromised Round 23 and an uncompromised finals series, not the other way around.

Sydney were I think the next best side after us in terms of W-L record against the top 8, so IMO it's huge that they're out.

GWS is in form but Greene said post-match he hasn't felt that cooked before in a while and they'll be on a six-day break into their semi final vs Geelong.

I'd expect Geelong to win and be our PF opponent. We shouldn't forget we were 44 points down to them a week ago and they were leading us at the final siren. Tuohy might be back for that game, too.

I believe that in seasons with no pre-finals bye, the winners of the QFs are 28-4 in prelims...

3 minutes ago, Mel Bourne said:

Just high on life Titan! Perhaps I should have quit while I was ahead and left him out. 

Salem was on Charlie for the first half though, no?

I do think Hibberd will be very stiff not to get his spot back for the prelim though. 

I don't think so, no.

Based on my admittedly rudimentary review of the footage, looks to me like Smith was on him from the start and was on him for two of his three first quarter goals.

4 minutes ago, Billy said:

Cmon he was average at best, I’d replace him for the prelim, he’s got to do more than be a decoy.

Melksham or the Weid for mine

You want to bring Weideman back in for a prelim when he hasn't played since Queen's Birthday?

No way. It's not happening barring injury.

Melksham at least has been in the seniors at some point in the last 3 months.

1 minute ago, dimmy said:

Bit harsh on Smith . There are a lot of people who lose one on ones against CHarlie, But not many that can keep up with him (see the replay 3rd Q I think )

He may well have given a free away there that wasn't paid - fair chance he grabbed his jumper. I felt at the time we were lucky not to get a free against.

Have to say, I loved Fritsch getting the front on contact free from Andrews early in the fourth and then Harmes doing something kinda similar to Robinson and they didn't get a free. That was pretty lucky for us, and I loved every second of it.

Just now, hardtack said:

Yes I am… you and others are making it seem like Green shoulder charged the umpire almost knocking him senseless.

Watch the footage with analysis that they showed on Foxtel and then let me know what you think (and no, I don’t have a link). I’m no fan of Green, but I think some of you are letting your hatred of him cloud your judgement.

As I said above, if this game-changing footage shows that the only contact was with his hand, then all that does is reduce the suspension from 6+ weeks to 2-4.

He should be suspended for his actions. The way he remonstrated with, walked in a direct beeline towards, and either actually or nearly walked through him with his shoulder, should be considered blatantly inappropriate.

1 minute ago, Mel Bourne said:

I left Joel Smith out of my passionate/fairly drunk appraisal of the team. Thought he was good! His pace came in handy against Charlie Cameron. Kept up with him in the pocket, and quashed a goal that could have been a dambuster for them. 

I'm not singling you out Mel, but honestly, it's amazing how some people perceive certain players.

Almost anyone else on our list gives up at least 4 goals to Cameron and they're harangued on here. Joel Smith does it and he gets praised.

Cameron was threatening every time he went near it. He'd have kicked more than 5 if Brisbane had had more of the ball in their forward half.

3 minutes ago, hardtack said:

No, like the Lachie Neale incident some time ago, he will most likely get a fine. In the unlikely event that he gets suspended, it would be no more than one week.

You're comparing what Greene did to this?

3 minutes ago, hardtack said:

Show you the footage?? It was there for all to see during analysis on Foxtel at half time. Reiwoldt, Brown and Dunstall all discussed it at length, replaying the footage over and over from a couple of angles. If he had hit the umpire as hard as people are trying to make out here, don’t you think the umpire would have reported him on the spot?

Sorry, I don’t have access to the Foxtel library of footage, but I’m sure if you can somehow get to view the half time discussion at our game, you’ll see it.

Are you saying he didn't touch him at all?

If the contact was less than it first looked, all that means is a 6+ week suspension can be reduced to 2-4.

Acting in that manner towards an umpire is disgraceful.

6 minutes ago, hardtack said:

You obviously haven’t seen the footage that Reiwoldt and co were talking to… there is clear daylight between Green’s shoulder and the umpire… however, you do see his hand make contact with the umpire’s hand.

Show me said footage.

It shouldn't matter. He walks directly into Stevic's path, Stevic is stationary. He's acting in a completely inappropriate way towards an umpire.

If what Viney did was a "bad look for the game" and was worthy of two weeks, so is this.

12 minutes ago, Clint Bizkit said:

Was anyone else shocked to see Neale had over 40 disposals?

All bias aside I barely noticed him.

Yep I was surprised.

But he's had 13 clearances and 581 metres gained so he wasn't totally ineffectual.

4 minutes ago, demon3165 said:

Are you for real was i at the ground suggest you get off the sauce, was you there, as for Salem it is time to take the diaper off soft as melted butter.

1 minute ago, demon3165 said:

So now your not sure but you said he was which one is it?

I said I believed Smith went to Cameron at the first bounce and I was surprised the boundary rider said Salem was on him.

I've now gone back and taken a look at the footage and I can't see Salem on Cameron for any of his three early goals, but I can see Smith on him for two of them.

Are you sure you saw Salem running with Cameron? It just doesn't make sense to me.