stevethemanjordan

Lol. I love that people still think Tyson is worth keeping and believe he is best 22.

Sure it doesn't, but West Coast were under immense pressure early and those two still stood up. May is a must. Physically imposing key backs are a must.

Just a quick reminder that Oscar and Frost will not be premiership defenders in the same side.

Probably not necessary given what he's gone through, mate. Even if this trade eventuates, I imagine most on here will always hold a soft spot for him.

Hogan to Gold Coast? Is that what I read? Massive lols.

The question should be around what will give us the best shot at a flag in the next 5 years? Not whether or not a first rounder is 'overs'. Why do posters keep missing this? Again. We were one win away from a grand final. We are not in a rebuilding phase so the obsession with draft picks needs to stop. May is seriously undersold on demonland, like many opposition players which shouldn't surprise me. He is exactly what we need and the fact that we had a meeting with the guy should give a fairly good indication as to our interest in him.

I watched a handful of Eastern games last year in which Cerra featured. He was unbelievable. A step above the rest in just about every facet. Agree we should ask the question.

Honestly, the talk of overs for someone who would help us immensely in the next 4+ years is embarrassing. We made a [censored] prelim. May is the body shape we miss in our back six. Someone who can out-body an opponent and allow for Lever to do what he does best. Neither on of Oscar or Frost are capable of using their bodies in the way that will allow for Lever to play his natural game. May is it. We need the guy. One of Oscar and Frost to play the second key tall, preferably Oscar for his composure with ball in hand and ability to keep things simple. Sydney had Grundy for years playing that role so well because he is a rock and is so good with his body. He's not tall and he's not that skilled. It allowed for Rampe to play his position perfectly. Adelaide the same with Talia and Hartigan which enabled Lever to have an unbelievable second year as an intercept specialist. We've got to provide an environment where our players can play to their strength and at the moment our backline is a bit of 'make it up as you go'.

I understand all of what you're saying, but I disagree. Hogan has the potential to be a generational player. May is 27 years old, Langdon doesn't fill any need unless you're talking about the fact that he shares an inability to use the ball along with some others on our list. And pick 18? Go and look up the list of players taken at that pick. It's quality over quantity in this case. We're not a basket case anymore. You're being too easy. Imagine what Essendon would ask for? If this is real, we need to take a hard stance.

I'd like to remind posters that we gave up two first round picks for Lever. Think about this for a minute. Hogan has a greater body of work than Lever. He also has good knees. It's two first rounders min, and we better stick fat if this entire shambles is true.

Well firstly Zac Langdon is a former 56 draft pick. He wasn't injured in his draft year. That means there are knocks on him and if you watch him, you'll see there are. Hogan would have gone 1 or 2 in his draft year if not for the mini draft but he is clearly more valuable than that given his output to date. Two first round picks in exchange for hogan and a pick would be ideal. We exchange the worse one for May and maybe bundle a third rounder to get a second round pick back. And we hit the draft with the other unless we have something else in mind. Simples. We get May and head to the draft with a top 10 pick as well as a second rounder.

That's one of the worst hypotheticals I've heard and I'd be mortified if we were to entertain anything close to that. Langdon? I really don't understand the crush many have on him. Yeh he's quick, cool. But he is far from classy and he doesn't use the ball well. Two things we are dying for. The only way we'll allow Hogan to leave this year is if we end up with a sweet arse deal. And the deal you've just outlined is hideous.

Some supporters on this forum are far too caught up in the world of draft picks thanks to years of having only the national draft to look forward to. It's a brainwashing of sorts. I'd like to remind some that we just made prelim final and carried 9 players into that game who are under 22/23. That's not including Hogan and Lever. Whether we get May or not, the point is that we're now at a stage where we may have to pay slight 'overs' for players who will have an impact for us in the short term. The lens needs to be changed now given our list demographic and the fact that we're clearly in the flag window. And if posters think Steven May wouldn't be that important, you've got rocks in your heads. Go back and watch Frost and McDonald in the prelim. Whilst I'm not blaming the loss on them, it's more than clear that when we don't win the midfield battle, we are extremely vulnerable having those two play in the same side. We need a mature-aged, strong bodied key defender. Not only for performance but to instil confidence and belief in our entire back half. Every side in the top 8 this year had at least one strong-bodied and aggressive key defender. Collingwood lost Dunn and watch what Kennedy will do to them at the G this Saturday if the midfield battle is even.

This is your best ever post, well done.

If we land Preuss and May, we'll be officially the most physically intimidating side going into next year. It'll be [censored] awesome.

Bit more info?

He was, I wasn't.

As he always was, developing nicely.

I'm really not sure why posters are so convinced Gaff is off to North. Polec is about to go there on enormous money so I find it extremely difficult to believe North would pay another bucket-load to a similar outside running player? It really doesn't make any sense to me from a list management pov. Not that it means much, but I happened to bump into Gaff last week playing golf at Camberwell. I had a chat to him and told him I hoped to see him running around in our colours next year, to which he responded; "I've got a bit to think about over the next few weeks." My feeling is that we're still very much in the frame. My brother played school footy with him and has said he's a very honest kid who was a big dees fan growing up as most are aware. His father hasn't been well either which is obviously a massive factor in his decision. Players go home to play at their club of choice sometimes even if it's for less money. Jeremy Howe for instance took less to go to Collingwood over the Gold Coast to play under Buckley who was his favourite player as a kid. I'm still confident.

No, obviously not. He is a young and developing player. However, it's the only line we have that lacks depth, quality and experience. And it's remained that way since Dunn left. Frost, Keilty and Petty are not depth yet as we saw with Petty. Two of them are untried and Frost is a mistake ridden athlete who is the furthest thing from the word 'consistency' one could think of. The fact we don't have a mature body with either experience at AFL level or the level under is a serious oversight by Goodwin and the recruiting team. You look at Weideman VS Oscar McDonald and compare the way in which they've been handled over their careers. One has been made to play out of necessity rather than form. The other one is in his third year and has been dropped again after one poor game due to depth and talent. Weideman was a top end pick. Oscar a pick in the 50's. It doesn't make sense to me. It should be our priority over the off season along with diversifying our midfield mix. You get rid of Frost, Tyson and Bugg over the off season and bring in May, Gaff and a half forward who is quick, skilled and pressures and watch our team transform.

Give Frost a chance? He's been given a chance in almost every position possible on the football field. Unfortunately for him, (and fortunately for us watching) his weaknesses won't allow him to be a consistent AFL player.

"Oscar is fine and he isn't even close to be being a problem for the club at the moment". That's dismissive m8. I'm not sure why it doesn't compute for some, but I've made it fairly clear that it's not alllll Oscar's fault. I've highlighted one problem area, which is real. And which imo has some significant flow-on effects that supporters clearly can't see. I'm going to go to the effort to learn how to edit some clips of what I'm talking about and post them. Obviously there are a handful of problems at our club. The absence of an experienced and consistent key defender is a big issue.

There a few problem areas. Our lack of key position experience and size is one. Dismissing such a thing is ridiculous.

Agree with Sfebey. Oscar after the weekend is back to performing the way he was last year. Playing without physicality, urgency or smarts. It's just limbs everywhere at present and as much as our defensive system as a whole isn't working, you simply need to have strong defensive pillars at all times. Now before fanboys of his come at me like a buzzard, believing I'm 'blaming' him for our loss, just hold up. Look around the league. The best defensive units have super strong bodied key position defenders that are the glue for the rest of their defensive unit. Our keys at the moment without lever look again like school boys playing against men. It reminds me of when we were made to play Scully, Trengove, Morton etc all at once. It's clear as day we made an error by not bringing in a mature-aged key after giving Dunn the flick. We've loaded up with young keys and that's fine. But why not have a crack on Steven May if he's exploring his options? He is a top 5 key defender. Why do we need to wait? Who knows whether Oscar will actually come through. There's no reason why he can't continue to develop at Casey. Some of his efforts on the weekend were that of an 18 year old, underdeveloped and physically intimidated tall.

Nah, don't need em. Ask Goody. I arksed him. He only plays inside mids on the wings like Tyson and Harmes and it's the same with half forwards. ANB and Petracca. Ball use, composure and speed is overrated. He thinks it, not me.