John Demonic

We need a Breust more than we need a Gunston. And a Mitch Lewis more than both combined.

Jack Bwowes

Jason Johannison would go first. Norm Smith, Premiership player

ay we're here for the trade rumours, not the depressing 2022 game plan lamentations

Apparently Lobb for WB2nd: 29 (?) or so, Logue goes for NM2nd: 19 (?) - I'm guessing Port want pick 19. So we get pick 8 and a Future 1st? Give us 29 too please!

And then making a "blockbuster" trade for one of Richmond's depth talls and play them in the VFL all year?

I could be wrong, but any player we target will have to wait until we've made our Grundy trade, Tomlinson and perhaps another, to know there is sufficient cap space or craft capital to get it done. And we might never know who they were, as it's not necessary to be public until then. I hoped we'd be into the jack bowes pick 7 salary dump up to our ears, but it seems GCS are negotiating with clubs that don't have to get their ducks in order first. Then with 13 + 7 + Freo Future 1st we are refreshing the bottom 6 (for now) with top 20 picks. It would be the dream, Port style (Rozee, Butters, Dursma)

A meat pie needs a bit of buttery flake on the top crust Mr Picket, otherwise it's too dry!

I caught that segment too from the podcast. Edmund said that 32 was not high enough for Grundy, intimating between 13 and 32 was the value. The Goose, Sanderson then thought 32 was a "sweetener" to get it done ie 13 & 32 🤦‍♂️🤦‍♂️🤦‍♂️ Also "13 & Weid" Scratch that show off my listens

All this talk of how Grundy and Max will both fit into the team positionally, might have clouded the one major benefit we can look upon next year, and that's giving Max 4 or so games of rest to keep him fresh. He will be 31 next year and he's done as much heavy lifting as Selwood has done in the past decade. If we look at the successful management of Selwood in Round 4, 8, 16 & 21 this year, it's a clear blueprint for how we can go about improving our fitness. Edit: We shouldn't be reliant on needing Max (And the injury he's carrying) in the team to win a game of football, if we're bringing in Grundy on that contract. If we were reliant on Luke Jackson and a ruck/relief alone then perhaps that is too great a burden to bear on him for 4 games, But Grundy is a different story.

I suppose his foot skills wouldn't really fit in. Here I was thinking we need speed and good disposal added into our best 22. Apparently we just need grunt on the wing. Edit: Just to reiterate, I'm in favour of getting jack bowes, pick 7 and 13 and keeping gus/Jordan on the wing. But as I said, if the club is so keen on Amon, why not Hill?

I'm also not saying we should do it, but if people (and Goodwin) want Amon, then Hill is the same type of player.

There have been those moments, but you can't just point to them and label the whole 2 seasons shocking. He's also looked fantastic at times, thrived at half forward and on the wing when their mids were actually winning it and using him. 21 disposal average and would be better utilised on an mcg wing with our structures and ball winners.

Does the Hawthorn fallout include Brad Hill looking somewhere else other than North Melbourne? He'd certainly be handy to pair with Langdon's run, Bowey and Salem's ball use. ----- Absolutely not worth the cost unless the Saints payed a massive portion of his salary - Could we get him for a 2nd round pick and 600k a year for 3 seasons? It's comparable to Amons salary offer, however the sticking point is the pick trade difference. I'm still a fan of us taking on Jack Bowes contract, restructuring it and getting that pick 7 from GCS, and playing Gus/Jordan on the wing again.

Not sure if this is a media trolling of the highest order, or Weightman is in play: https://www.reddit.com/r/AFL/comments/xltxwy/journos_breaking_news_cody_weightman_likely_to/ Picket + Weightman would be a lethal combination, although the high pick cost would not be worth it. Tomlinson + 2nd rounder please!

The Demonland Sponsors Curse strikes again?

Having Jack Bowes and Jake Bowey in our 22 will be a fun tongue-twister for @binman on the @Demonland podcast! Maybe we could even ask for David Swallow to be thrown in?

Michael Long doesn't really come out of this looking great either. Oddly seemed to be doing a lot of victim blaming of Cyril in the media earlier in the year and downplaying that there was any racism at Hawthorn because other players hadn't said anything. Of course here on DL, we already knew Long was a person of questionable character on the field https://www.foxsports.com.au/afl/riolis-racism-row-takes-another-turn-as-afl-great-says-cyril-needs-help/news-story/8a1c8d7be737fcbf3e7a3c191b154958 https://www.dailymail.co.uk/sport/afl/article-10699129/AFL-Indigenous-groundbreaker-Michael-Long-says-nephew-Cyril-Rioli-needs-professional-help.html

Also if it is a Future 1st, I want a swap of Collingwoods future 2nd. Let's tell them to gamble on themselves and their self belief - or will they be too afraid that it will end up early pick 20's if their [censored] falls out from under them next year?

My small victorian team victim complex has really kicked into gear while listening to media pundits (Sam Edmund etc) just say 'it will get done for a 1st round pick' like that's objectively the right/only deal that can occur. They'll never go into bat for us getting a better deal and will try and "will" the best deal possible for Collingwood, into existence.

Our carpet bomb the forward line gameplan still has a major chance of winning us a flag (Or 2) I think, I've come around to this more since Collingwood and Brisbane failed spectacularly on the weekend and the raw emotion of not making a prelim has died down. So Grundy will fit in nicely if the idea to improve on 2022 is to increase the quantity of wins in stoppages, clearances and inside 50's to build bigger leads, whether the forward line is fixed or not. The quality of entries won't have as much to do with Grundy as it will our mids and forwards, when he's rucking. If we do improve the forward line mix, Max and tracc work on their goalkicking. Grundy has an off-season of work on fitness and contested marking, then hopefully everything should culminate in us being at the pointy end next year. The 'learnings' from this year about managing our fitness and injuries should aid in us not burning out so early too.

I reckon our recruitment of Grundy all but confirms that we do plan to do this, but do it far more often from clearances and stoppages than currently we did with LJ. And therefore make up the 2-3 goal margin we are behind all top 4 teams this year Improve goal kicking accuracy and add in a few key forwards and hopefully that adds the 5+ goals that puts us ahead of the pack. The old carpet bombing method. Hoping for a little more tweaking/innovation/positional changes and yes lowering the eyes more!... Or it will probably come back to bite.. again.

Maybe its delusion, born from having memories of having Hogan up forward 5 years back where we won by 60-100 points on the regular, or last years prelim v Geelong or the 3rd and 4ths against the Dogs, but I still dream of a game-plan where we dominate centre clearances, post-clearances contested possessions and pile on goals in almost every quarter of every week with ruthless efficiency, barely letting the opposition touch it. And the rare occasion where we don't score a goal, we pressure the opposition with so much intensity (200?) that they bomb it long or dribble kick it to a 50/50 in the corridor that feeds into our turnover game. And judging by our intention to bring in Grundy for a 1st rounder (?) so does Goodwin. We still have that bull at the gates mindset. The same mindset that Goodwin had pre-666 with the 2 rushing players into the centre bounce. And I still don't think any game style counters that - Not a game based on turnovers from the back half and fast corridor use, if you're too efficient to give them opportunities. Can a club keep it up for enough quarters of every game for an entire season? Or is it too taxing? Well this year might've proved it is/was - Can we get it up and going again and challenge next , or do we need a radical overhaul? Time will tell. I do think the tweaks are that we should be a lot more daring with our ball movement from the back half next year as others have said, and just seeing if we can generate momentum, like the 3 best teams this year were doing - but fundamentally not much will change in that we will back ourselves to get fit enough to execute the same game-plan. Just hope we have the players up forward to deliver that goal kicking efficiency next year!! With the continued improvements of other clubs like the Cats and Swans - I think some kind of middle ground will be reached if we get back to our best - We won't always be able to dominate in our strengths full match, and neither will they - but at least we will be good enough to all be 'level' with one another - a close 'roll of the dice' prelim will be a massive improvement on 2022 at this stage.

I did spot one in the wild last night on DL. Poor bugger thinks its 1992 and state of origin is still a thing and therefore they are legally required to support the Big-V-ictorian team. They could get a gig commentating on channel 7 with that attitude!