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In the morning we give a late but good pick (maybe 46) for KK. Freo are spooked. Freo concede they must give Neale to Brisbane for 5. Now Freo are in a total mess. Freo give 5 and next years 1st for Hogan. GC take the Freo 2019 first for May. On draft night we swap 5 to Adelaide for 8 & 14. Even if this happens I’d prefer Hogan to stay.

I believe it was clear that KK can be a separate trade. Hogan for pick 5 and 23 was a fine trade, last week.

Sure. I might be dreaming, but from this point in negotiations I would certainly expect 2 firsts. 5 and 2019 first. Fremantle will be forced to offload Neale, then they’re in real trouble.

Oh, I see. I would've thought Hogan would be the much more valuable player? But I guess I don't know enough about Lobb.

What's the Lobb decision? And why not well bode?

I’d love to see Hunt back in the team. It was eluded to by some that he had a difficult year. I wonder if anybody can shed a little light on if his difficulty was physical or his application or personal issues?

If I were Kent, I’d absolutely want St Kilda paying a higher price than 75. He’s meant to be going there to be more valued. However, 3 years and (I think Chook said?) 3x money... maybe he doesn’t care about the other number

Just wait for it, one of them (probably Caro) will hype it up massively leading in. The story will be Hogan Redefining Trade Currency. But they’ll have a better headline.

You keep saying Hogan must be less value than Judd. Or that there’s some overestimation of his ability on here. Firstly you can’t list a bunch of accolades as evidence Judd was more valuable. If so, what then would you have paid for Lewis?? Hogan is a young gun (not overrated, the stats back that up) & JM has said he’d be asking for one of the highest trade value seen yet. I guess you’re excited by the King brothers, I’d prefer Jesse personally. Would you take Kelly or Salem/Tyson? I appreciate posters being emphatic about their opinions, but 4&5 isn’t unrealistic, it’s just a hard bargain.

Come on ETtradewhisperer... You need to earn this title of greatest newsbreaker on Demonland and give us something fresh.

Thanks Chook, can I ask what you think of the trade generally? A player like Hogan is such a unique talent. It is what it is, but wonder what your take on the vibe of it all is?

The only way this makes sense is if his foot injury is really bad. Fine then, take the money and security. Otherwise, surely the manager would say stay. Win games. Maybe a premiership. In 5 years take a Buddy deal and cash in. Going to a failing team is crazy at this stage of his development. It appears such a bad option for Hogan that it seems impossible. But many posters on here rate Chook in Perth as a solid voice.

Absolutely. Hoges is v fast. I’ve posted this already, but fastest top speed in AFL is...

I’d argue Mr September is a player that rises above their season form. Viney and Oliver both incredible, but no more so than typical. Harmes and Brayshaw emerged in season. Trac is the player we all hope for. 1. Hibberd. Found the desperation. 2. Weid. The big surprise. 3. TMAC. First to stand tall.

Agree completely... But what did he do to Neville Jetta back in 2015?

And he’s the fastest in the AFL!

Am I alone in being shocked Jesse clocked the fastest speed in the entire AFL? I must be late to this revelation. Never trade Hogan.

I’m sure this has been mentioned... I went to check those amazing Clarry stats were accurate (they were) and found this. I thought it incredibly surprising:

@Moonshadow Your ‘Fake maths’ comment was funny. I think it was meant to be funny? But yes, my assumption was wrong that Simpson gave 4. I withdraw, apologise and stand corrected.

I read differently, the coach tried to refocus him on the game, I didn’t think Gaff was upset by that. My feeling is he’s more likely to stay. Alternatively, if WC handled him in the same manner we did Bugg, then I think he’d go. Even down to the 4 votes, I think they’ve played this ruthlessly.

I actually like the ruthlessness from Simpson and WC. He’s a footballer, keep his head in the game, then after the game re-enforce he’s a good person and this is an accident in play, shield him from the media, make him feel totally supported and almost believe he wasn’t in the wrong. He’s one of their best, make sure it stays that way. Let the AFL deal with all that integrity spin.

True, but is supported by the vision. And a truckload of character references. Plenty of remorse from Gaff too, to be fair.

Solid defense from Gaff. Changing the conversation to the niggle off the ball. And as people have said on here, @McQueen - said he was aiming for chest but Brayshaw lowered his position... Building the case for a light penalty. Still think 8wks.

I thought Bugg was ‘high impact’. Incidentally, Jonas also got 6wks in 2016 for high impact elbow that KO’d Gaff. To your point, I’m interested to see what a defense does to the result. I’m guessing 8wks, but if less then you’d have to wonder about all that integrity around the Bugg handling.

I disagree. I mentioned Bugg because although the MFC article @Pates kindly posted said he'd trained harder and proven himself to be fitter and stronger, he can't break into the team, not even close. We ask these kids to play on the absolute edge, these incidents have an affect. If I were Gaff, I'd now stay at WC. The votes are just a hint to a far more brutal culture that rightly or wrongly can help him return to his best.