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5 minutes ago, demoncat said:

Caroline Wilson reporting Yze has the Richmond job 

Great reward! Good luck Yze

4 minutes ago, DeeSpencer said:

Skills aren’t great but he has physicality and athleticism than Schache doesn’t. One of the best of bad options 

We don’t want the best of bad options 

1 minute ago, Roost it far said:

You can't as you won't have the picks. For mine this is the year to be brave. Shake the forwards out there and see if we can't get one over here. I use Jamara as an example as the Dogs are chock full of forwards but are deficient down back. Do we go ok, you guys take Lever we'll have Jamara or Naughton. We then recruit a key back with one of our high picks, play Turner and see how it rolls. I'm not saying this is the scenario but we have to be in the game. Do we offer up Salem, or Sparrow or even Oliver? We want sustained success, the draft alone won't give us that.

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Good on him 

19 minutes ago, spirit of norm smith said:

Toby Bedford 2022 

James Jordon 2023 

If you drop them in a flash or play them as a sub over and over and over again, eventually they say enough and leave. 
 

Dees cannot say they wanted to retain him after treating him poorly.  Another player Goodwin just didn’t favour at all.  

Good luck to him. 

Not everyone can play.  Goodwin has given more opportunities than many.   He is a good fringe player at Melb with the depth we have and he is never going to be a top liner.  To say he was treated poorly is not correct at all 

Geeze we are going to have some turnover this year.  Casey are going to struggle next year 

6 minutes ago, adonski said:

An article yesterday made it sound like they'll get the following -

Pick 2 (natural pick)
Pick 3 (McKay compo)
Pick 11 (Priority)

But no Sanders

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2 minutes ago, Clintosaurus said:

My info is the McKay offers aren't enough for Band 1 compo. Wonder if 11 is their compo instead of end of first round?

 I just read that McKay’s compo will be band 1, surely they don’t get that and pick 11 

2 hours ago, BaliDemon said:

How about this for a scenario:

- Pick 5 take Nick ‘Wizard’ Watson

- Send 2024 first rounder to Richmond for Tom Lynch. 

- Pick 32 to Adelaide for Shane McAdam

- Send Grundy to Sydney for pick 22. Then package up picks 13, 22 & Jefferson to Geelong for pick 7. They can use those picks to regenerate their midfield and forward line in the post Danger/Selwood/Hawkins era. 

- Pick 7 take Conor O’Sullivan 

 

McVee May O’Sullivan

Salem Lever Rivers 

Langdon Petracca Brayshaw

Watson Petty McAdam

Fritsch Lynch Pickett 

Gawn Oliver Viney

Sparrow Smith Bowey JVR ANB Hunter Tomlinson 

I like the creativity here but surely Lynch is not worth a 1st rounder.  

4 hours ago, BaliDemon said:

Miers still superior statistically in flag years, even though it wasn’t his best season. 

Look at the past 24 months. Miers has surged, Spargo stagnated/regressed. Not a good sign for a 6th/7th year player. 

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1 hour ago, BaliDemon said:

Miers and Spargo are not statistically similar. The former averaged 18 touches a game over the past two seasons, the latter 11. That’s a big difference. Miers also lays more tackles and takes more marks. 

Spargo is a “better ball user” yet has less score assists or score involvements? Hmmm 🤔 

Seven years in the system and his numbers aren’t improving. With the FD set to re-model our inept forward line and bring in reinforcements, Charlie is going to be up against it. Both him and Chandler frankly. 

The addition of Wizard Watson (in addition to McAdam), if it happens, would likely signal the death knell for both of them. 

Compare their premiership years 

11 hours ago, beelzebub said:

Grundy wasn't si much a mistake...though i can only agree an argument can be made ( a la rpfc ) that we never should have entertained it...better other options/deals.

But , imo, where we truly [censored] up was not reappraising where we were and the talent on offer and rethinking how to use.

Exhibit A .. the last game ..

We needto be far more astute and inventive.

So when Gawn went down, who would have played Ruck through that period? 

On 9/8/2023 at 11:19 AM, SthSea22 said:

Experienced and decent KPF is a must

 

Brown and T Mac are done 

 

Do we go for Darling? 

Swans give up one of Amartey/McLean for Grundy? 

Jack Silvangi?

Chol?

So TMac and brown are done but you want Darling? Darling is 31 and more done than the other 2.  Silvagni is a hack and Chol is to inconsistent.  McLean and Amartey have only recently re-signed.  Unless we can get an A grade forward then we stick with developing the ones we have and maybe draft another.  B and C graders won’t help. 

45 minutes ago, David-Demon said:

No way Salem is going anywhere. Just look at what he has been through this year with illness. He admits he is under his playing weight by over 5 kg and in an interview on SEN the other day said he had a commitment to the Club and his play this year was heavily compromised by his illness.

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17 hours ago, ElDiablo14 said:

On the topic of exit interviews, who do we think are tradeable players?

Salem, JJ, any other?

Salem won’t be traded 

On 9/16/2023 at 11:01 AM, ElDiablo14 said:

We'll probably need immediate impact players (i.e. can start in Rd 1 next year), who are those players in this year's draft?

I don’t necessarily agree with this, we have a top end team and have the luxury of letting kids develop in the 2’s rather than throwing them to the wolves.  We have all seen how playing kids to early, can hinder their development.  I’m also thinking that our picks can potentially be used on a ready made player and not kids but time will tell 

14 minutes ago, gregdemon said:

I am still amazed GRUNDY was not sub and used in last quarter       Something more to it   like a major falling out with coaches or something   

From what I heard about the scratch match last week, Grundy was disinterested.  If he had checked out then there is no way they could play him 

1 hour ago, Clintosaurus said:

Genuine question - why is there so much hate for us on the socials? Sure we won a flag, but I don't get it. It's mainly from supporters of clubs who have been nowhere near it for years.

Because they are [censored] 

1 hour ago, Great Northern Summer said:

Raising this hurts even more to think we basically let Bedford walk…

Bedford is a horrible kick and should not be mentioned in the same sentence as Pickett.  

15 hours ago, greenwaves said:

Slightly better draft picks.  That's a positive!

The last time we had 2 picks inside 15, we took Kozzie and Jackson which helped win us a flag.  Let’s do it again.  The players will be burning in 2024, bring it on! 

19 hours ago, Supreme_Demon said:

I think we definitely need to look at new line coaches to help Simon Goodwin.

We may, or may not, be losing Adem Yze to Richmond if he successfully obtains the senior coaching role there. If not, he should transfer from midfield coach to forwardline coach at the Demons.

I think Greg Stafford should stick to being just the ruck coach or be moved on. He is no forwardline coach.

Troy Chaplin has been a great backline coach and will probably stay.

Mark "Choco" Williams stays as head of development. In light of now "choking" in finals, we can probably learn a lot from him from when he was coach of Port Adelaide and overcame hardship and struggle to help win the 2004 AFL Premiership. I also think he has been a fantastic development coach for our younger players.

The big question is, who do we bring in? Who should become our new midfield coach? Or new forwardline coach? Do we also need a specific goal kicking coach?

Should we chase Brett Ratten (who quit North Melbourne) but could come back to the Demons as midfield coach after 20 years? Seeing as he was our midfield coach way back in 2004.

Would Nathan Buckley consider coming back to coaching? Could we entice him to become our midfield coach? Unless he is happy being in the media?

Another option could be getting Stuart Dew the former Gold Coast coach at the club? I know he was our original target before we fortunately chose Simon Goodwin as the apprentice to Paul Roos. Would Stuart Dew like a fresh start at the Demons?

Blake Caracella at Essendon might also be someone with a good "football brain" that we need at the Demons to help our midfield or forwardline.

Justin Leppitsch has also been an excellent backline coach at Collingwood. I would definitely be interested in seeing if he wants a new challenge. However, I think he is focused on Collingwood's finals campaign and wishes to be a senior AFL coach again.

What about getting another old and wise head to help out? Gary Ayres? Rodney Eade? John Worsfold?

Another factor is the expansion of our coaching department. Will we have development coaches assisting our line coaches again? I remember before COVID-19 and the restrictions to coaching departments we had Max Rooke at the Demons. Should we look to get recently retired players to help us? Perhaps get Nathan Jones back at the Demons? What about David Neitz or David Schwarz to help out our forwardline? What about Matthew Lloyd or Wayne Carey to assist our forwards?

Anyway, there's a lot a questions to ponder.

We need to get better just like every other AFL will be looking to get better next season.

Hopefully the entire football department has a thorough review to look at what we did wrong and how we can improve for season 2024 and beyond.

Stewie Dew would be a great replacement for Yze if he leaves 

1 hour ago, Kent said:

A little bit of self reflection would be ok in my view  I agree that his motherhood statements are just hollow now needs to say it how it is 

If he is disappointed then he can say it

He said he was disappointed, did you actually listen to the presser?

50 minutes ago, Older demon said:

For those who haven't seen it please look up Russel Robertsons post on Facebook and Insta. He made me feel a whole lot better with a calm measured assessment of the season and the need to have team stability and continuity which we didn't have as well as the new blood injected into the team. He said everything I hope Goodwin would say but didn't. Well done Robbo, he is hurting and details how much it hurt losing finals in his day.

Disappointed that all Goodwin could offer is one of his motherhood statements about dealing with adversity and learnings, I am so sick of hearing his corporate speak.

Give the bloke a break FFS.  They hit those pressers straight after the game and I can only imagine the disappointment and anger he feels and has to hold it all together.  Do you really want him to come out and blast the players or make injuries as an excuse.  

7 hours ago, ElDiablo14 said:

This may yield us pick 4 from GC.

How? I’m confused by this thread 

3 hours ago, Bring-Back-Powell said:

I was impressed with his season as he dealt with key injuries and made positional changes, while finishing top 4.

He had a woeful finals series though. 

The blokes who couldn’t hit the side of the barn were our issue not the coach.  If we kick straight in any of the finals games, we win by 5+.   The reason we lost is nothing to do with Goody.  His move to put Kozzie out of the square showed how creative he can be