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17 minutes ago, dworship said:

So the outcome has no relevance any more? A guy who uses his momentum (all 70kg and 171cm) brings down a 90kg and 193cm player and it is somehow deemed dangerous? The Brisbane player was stunned.... he got a free!! The more I see the less I like this game and where it's headed.

Congrats to Goodwin tonight for defending our players on AFL 360... not!  Goodwin better be saying other things behind closed doors because players can sense BS!

Before potting Goodwin, tell us what he was asked and what he said? 

Is there any video of the Kozzy Pickett 'dangerous tackle'. In real time both looked completely regulation to me. There were plenty of similar tackles that were let go throughout the game. 

Just now, titan_uranus said:

Replaceable with whom? TMac?

Fritsch is our leading goalkicker this year with 10, averaging 1.43 per game. I don't agree he is easily replaceable.

Instead, I want to know why he keeps leading to the pockets. Is that what he's been instructed to do? Or is it because he finds he can't get space unless he goes there?

The key reason why calling it a trade is misleading is that we didn't give anything up for him (other than salary, but we do that for any player we take, whether from the draft, trade or FA).

I too had high hopes, and I would like to see him come back into the side (maybe even this week) and improve on his failings from earlier this year.

But there remains enough time this season, let alone into the future, for Tomlinson to cement a spot in our 22 (particularly when the non-Langdon wing is being manned by Jones/Brayshaw).

Should be weeks.

Healy's comment that Jetta "leads with his head" is classic old school footy player rubbish. In that instance Jetta was just going for the ball. McStay doesn't, should have tackled, but chose to bump. In choosing to bump the onus was on McStay to avoid Jetta's head. He failed. On the guidelines, it was careless/high/high which is 2 weeks. If a medical report suggests Jetta was more seriously injured, and high becomes severe, it's a third week I believe.

Yep, Tmac. Maybe Tomlinson worth a shot. He is not desperate enough and the fact he is leading our goal kicking with 1.43 goals a game speaks volumes of how dysfunctional the forward line has been, rather than how terrific he has been. His set shots are abysmal. 

It's his lack of accountability that annoys me. He doesn't have an impact once the ball is on the ground. I'd almost go with Nibbler over him at the moment. That's how poor I see his performances at the moment. 

7 minutes ago, Action Jackson said:

Fritsch did well in the first bit to hold up the play a little but he let it go on way too long.

I was yelling at the screen telling him to give the ball back and he just kept milking it.

It was the right call and very undisciplined play.

He can have a spell for mine. Not based on that brain fart last night, but rather his input over the last 4 weeks. 

A lot love this bloke, but I can't understand the hype. Occasionally he takes a nice overhead mark, but his kicking at goal has been horrid this year. The other issue I have with him are that he continually leads to deep pockets. This is the cause of his poor kicking accuracy, as he is often taking shots on acute angles. That said, we have seen him blow shots from directly in front too. 

My third issue is his lack of forward pressure and his inability to get front and centre. Perhaps the latter is not his assigned role, but given his height, he ain't designed to be clunking the 'long ones to the top of the square'. One thing Brisbane were very good at least night was reading the ball off the pack and getting front and centre. We currently have no player doing this. Kozzie is way off it and Fritta thinks he can mark everything. 

Did the pre-season hype get to Fritta? His own Captain tipping him for the Coleman Medal? I don't know, but right now he is an average player that is replaceable. 

Leigh Fisher had his one set of rules for frees to Brisbane for holding the ball. Pathetic. I remember him having a shocker in a game against Freo at the G last year. Kept being sucked into Micheal Walters’ [censored] 

Harmes has more upside than Brayshaw and can at least play in other positions. Gus is cooked. I’d be dropping him before Harmes 

8 minutes ago, Mel Bourne said:

I don’t know, if you’re not going to play Kosi you should probably keep in Pickett. Just for balance. 

Lol

3 minutes ago, DeeSpencer said:

Langdon played 90%, Jones played 81%. So as Gus was the only other guy to play on the wing it's fair to assume he played 29% game time on a wing and 36% time on ball.

Harmes played 65% game time and I'd imagine it was split 50/50 on ball and forward.

Harmes was always a nearly player on ball and always a nearly player on the wing. Tagging - where he could use his physical gifts and hardness - then hurting opponents the other way is the one position he's excelled at. 

The backline didn't seem to work, but he is providing good forward pressure as a half forward and still having effective moments on ball. 

I thought he copped a couple of holding the balls tonight where he just didn't have a chance. No prior, tried his absolute best to get it out and was victim of this silly new rule and ripping tackles (the kind of tackles Kossie would get a free kick against). Harmes is a bullocking ball player and has to keep being that whilst adapting to tapping the ball on or doing what Brisbane excelled at tonight - the drop the ball as soon as the tackle comes.  But otherwise yeah he had a crappy game.

There's just no good solution to the Harmes and Gus problems when there's no replacements for them and Oliver, Petracca and Viney will get the lionshare of midfield minutes.

Second half of your assessment is spot on. Harmes was pinged red hot for hold the ball in slinging gang tackles with no prior and told he didn’t make a genuine genuine attempt. Absolutely atrocious. Suddenly that rule didn’t apply to Brisbane players

8 minutes ago, Lord Nev said:

You reckon he's this years Hogan or Watts mate?

Same personalities 

Send him to Freo. He and Hogan can reunite and carry on with their off field shananigans like they were doing in Melbourne. 
 

it’s funny ... there’s always a pattern 

4 minutes ago, dazzledavey36 said:

Not sure if you were watching the game tonight chell, but Harmes played a lot of game time in the middle, where as Gus played the whole game on the wing.

Harmes was not far behind Brayshaw in being the worst player on the night.

Continues to just give away stupid free kicks which cost momentum or give up a goal to the opposition. The blokes thinks he's Dustin Martin half the time and infuriats me that he has the gonads to always argue back with the umpire when he gets pinged holding the ball all the time.

5 minutes ago, dazzledavey36 said:

Not sure if you were watching the game tonight chell, but Harmes played a lot of game time in the middle, where as Gus played the whole game on the wing.

Harmes was not far behind Brayshaw in being the worst player on the night.

Continues to just give away stupid free kicks which cost momentum or give up a goal to the opposition. The blokes thinks he's Dustin Martin half the time and infuriats me that he has the gonads to always argue back with the umpire when he gets pinged holding the ball all the time.

 

Watched the game tonight and agree Harmes was poor, but Gus was worse. I saw Jones and Langdon on the wing most of the night. I was never sure Brayshaw was playing. Wherever it was, he was useless. I’d be dropping him before Harmes. Brendan McCartney was attributed with turning Harmes into a serious player, I wonder what effect his departure and mentorship has had on him. 

34 minutes ago, Bring-Back-Powell said:

I wouldn’t be so sure about that.
Goodwin gave him a special gee up at 3 qtr time but he didn’t respond at all.

Harmes is having an ordinary season and there wouldn’t be one game this year where he’s been in our best 6-8.

Like Brayshaw, he’s probably struggling with a clearly defined position on the ground.

Harmes is having an ordinary year because he was played out of position at the beginning of the year and doesn’t know his role in the side, yet we forgive Oliver quickly when he gets the ball tapped down his throat all night and doesn’t once take it cleanly. Add that to his dodgy foot skills. 
 

Harmes should be replacing Gus in the middle. He deserves a crack in the middle for 80% game time. He is cleaner below his knees than Oliver. Gus is gone at the moment. Slow and disinterested 

Surprised no one has brought up the Kozzy ‘dangerous tackle’ decision. Absolute garbage. Viney has been tackled tht way all night. Pathetic. 
 

the Hannan kick, regardless of the stupidity of Fritsch that followed, was shocking too. Deep to a pocket. Even if Fritsch marks, what Is the chance he kicks it? A long central kick would have been better. There are those that will say, but at least it would have been a throw in..so what..the game was there to be won, you need to ask questions of the opposition in those final minutes if you wanna win games. 

I saw that we have raised 400k at this stage, which is great. I do not think that has taken into account the sales of the jumpers, but I am yet to clarify that with the club. These are tough times for people, so any fundraising is monumental. I am not sure how this stacks up against the fundraising done by other clubs. 

33 minutes ago, Ouch! said:

Based on that win, you would be hard pressed to drop any of our players based on performances in the last couple of games.

I also think we match up fairly well v Brisbane I think, and any changes should be due to opposition match up, with an obvious rider that they would be closely keeping an eye (sorry TMac) on Bennell and AVB and managing their fitness.  

AVB looked to struggle with the pace of the game last night and to a lesser extent, the week week before. His disposal was ordinary, but he does tackle well. I dunno if he can be carried another week, or whether a reset and refresh is needed. 

10 hours ago, DeeSpencer said:

 

I'm not entirely sure how the structure changed this week with Jackson compared to Tom for 1/4 last week. I think Tom was starting to lead and jump at the ball better the last few weeks and can still crash a pack as well as a kid in his second game. And either he or Weid could do the forward ruck work and 2 minutes a quarter to rest Max.

The most obvious difference between Tom and Jackson, and (Weid and Jackson) was Jackson's forward pressure. That's the one area where he did a few things that made a subtle but important difference.

The 2 biggest factors in Max's dominance down the line more than the talls have been 1: forward pressure and 2: the skinny ground limiting options for the long down the line kick. 

That said, it's the perfect opportunity to make a disguised statement about Tom's form. Plus with all the short breaks Tom will be back in soon enough I'm sure.

Jackson rucked in the forward 50 and competed to lock the ball in. As a natural ruckman, he knew where to hit the ball. This allowed Gawn to set up behind the play and intercept the Hawthorn dump kick out of defence. McDonald does not provide this. Also, when Gawn needed a a rest, Jackson went into the middle and became another midfield, who has the ability to win the hit out. That's why he stays. McDonald does neither of the above. 

2 minutes ago, whatwhatsaywhat said:

structur

structurally it's the only change that makes sense unless you, as @DeeSpencer suggested, push melksham out, which is extrezzo unlikely as he's very much the leader of that forward brigade, or one of bennell or avb

Jackson allows Gawn to set up defensively. The whole basis of the game plan today. No way he goes out. One of the dumbest calls going around here atm. Two weeks ago McDonald was being lambasted by all and sundry and we bring in a kid who holds his own and impacts the game, with huge upside and people quickly forget McDonalds last season and half?? 

I am flabbergasted at the number of people tht think TMAC walks back in for Jackson. The argument that Harris Andrews will get a hold of Weed and Jackson astounds me. What astounds me is tht I can just imagine Tom being moved under the ball all day and not bothering to put his hands in the air to make a contest. Then I picture him turning like the titanic when the ball does hit the deck. He has offered nothing this season. Sadly looked to have maybe turned the corner in the game when he suffered the injury. That’s on the basis of 1 quarter. Last season was much the same. Sorry, but Jackson is a competitor and offers more at ground level. He at least crashes the pack and leaps high enough to impact it. 
 

No changes for mine, but Jones for AVB or Sparrow for Lockhart wouldn’t disappoint me

5 minutes ago, pinkshark said:

Yeah just not inside the defensive 50 to Maxy when he is doing his shoelaces up.

Totally agree, it’s not out of his game yet, I’ve conceded that. He needs to continue to review it.

3 minutes ago, Watts the matter said:

Definitely an improvement from Oliver, but that handball to Max was a shocker.

Agree. Which is why I am happy to praise the good work, but coaches must continue to highlight the poor decisions. The want to go back into traffic and create issues for himself and then dump a handball to relieve the pressure, which in turn puts another player under pressure. He has to cut it out of his game, but I will back him to do so, as it’s apparent he is working on it

Best game since 2018.

Tracc and Gawn were immense.

Ive seen a few mention it, but I reckon Langdon deserves a heap of praise. Last week was good, this week we saw exactly why we went after him. Runs and Runs and runs and hit his targets today. 
 

also thought Clarry improved as the game went on. Getting better at picking when to handball and when to kick. Still has to be a focus though. 

8 minutes ago, Demonland said:

Pretty much why I wouldn’t do this. I don’t want to be responsible for someone thinking they’re safe from COVID when I can’t verify the quality of them. 

20 minutes ago, Cards13 said:

Uhm yeap but be very careful, the make money at any cost Yank teams are rolling out fashion face coverings..

 

"a fashion face covering not intended to be personal protective equipment...

..Justin Wolfers, an economist at the Gerald R. Ford School of Public Policy at the University of Michigan, told us the difference between the N95 masks used in hospitals and the football team masks is akin to the difference between real gems and costume jewelry."

https://www.npr.org/2020/05/02/849304170/opinion-nfl-fashion-masks-but-still-not-enough-protective-masks

They are all somewhat effective. Obviously n95 and surgical masks are more effective. 

49 minutes ago, Melb-A-Toast said:

I don't know if this has been raised before. There is likely to be a need to wear masks for longer time beyond lockdown.

Does MFC have branded masks available?

It could be a good way to promote our brand and support.

HERE: https://www.funkyfido.com.au/products/afl-adult-mask

https://arcadiagallery.com.au/products/afl-face-masks

There are a few companies flogging them online. 

1 minute ago, Engorged Onion said:

The only reason he would be dropped would be from the data around the need to manage him.

There are some seriously ridiculous comments about decisions that are made on players, this would be up there.

If it is about managing him, why is he being played 80% in meaningless practice matches, where he racks up 35 posies and kicks 4.