Red and Blue realist

Spot on, we scored more than any other team last year based on multiple options not 1 or 2 dominate talls. The game plan seems to be moving towards just beating the opposition at the contest then getting the ball in as quick possible then lock it in. Not pretty movement in to leads

Quick change the thread title! picks 27 & 31 now!

It's on now, GC made that trade with WC. Love to hear if the player we wanted is still there anyway.

Unless there are other issues at play surely there'll be a few clubs lined up for him. I'd say we'd be low on the list given he plays in an area of our strength, but I'd be very happy for him to come in as depth. Seems a strange move from the Suns, maybe there are issues with Dew?

OMac will also be more inclined to stick to his task and stay last line of defence than Frost, May has mentioned that he played best when Rory Thompson played at the same time because he did this. Frost is getting a lot smarter but I still wouldn't trust him to stick to this all game. So I agree that OMac is more complementary of May and lever than Frost, but both could play if either of those were missing

Posted this in the Koldasjhni (no idea of the spelling without looking it up) thread: I know it's been talked about that we're looking at a future 3rd for KK, I reckon we could offer a future 2nd if they throw in Sam Collins (state league player) who would provide that strong body in the back-line and has improved massively this year. We'd then tell the suns we're out of the race for May this year. Collins would be on a minimal contract so if he doesn't work then we can still have a crack at May next year, but if he carries the VFL form over we'll have a massive win.

I know it's been talked about that we're looking at a future 3rd for KK, I reckon we could offer a future 2nd if they throw in Sam Collins (state league player) who would provide that strong body in the back-line and has improved massively this year. We'd then tell the suns we're out of the race for May this year. Collins would be on a minimal contract so if he doesn't work then we can still have a crack at May next year, but if he carries the VFL form over we'll have a massive win.

It got reported on Friday that he had, if they lose Adams they might put their hands up. They'd have the currency and cap space.

Yes, but they'll get a very high pick next year if they keep him, and have a number of high picks already. I think they'll love pick 5 as well, but won't have much use for the later 20s picks they've got so might try and move them up this year. But they need time to work through that

May had a tour with the western Bulldogs this week, so clearly is looking at other options. Also the longer it goes the more likely the GCS will hold him to his contact because they will want to plan things with the other picks they have, currently they have 5 picks under 30, and might look to upgrade or move some of the latter ones.

We would have saved a bit of coin with the Tyson/BP trade, but I can't work out who they're accept. Frost has been raised but they'd want more, I just can't see it happening this year. Plus with lever back I think our defence is more than ok

Yes but our only currency at the moment is a first round next year, as much as they might want him out, they won't risk getting a pick 15+ when they are going to get pick 5 or below

From the sounds of it, we've treated him very well throughout and I'm sure that'll only increase from hear. He's overseas at the moment, so I'm hoping there's either teammates with him or we're on the phone everyday.

We can, but why would GCS want that? They would be better waiting a year then getting the compo pick. We'd be better waiting as well because we won't have to give up anything next year. I always thought we might be getting to him as an early move for next season. Of course if he comes out and says he's desperate to get to the Dees that changes everything and the asking price might lower.

They have 5 picks under 29 (2,3,19,24 & 29) and no academy kids coming through, so I'd think they'd prefer to bank some points for next year.

Let's hope so and the price is a future 3rd, the suns don't need anymore picks this year.

Hope the club comes out very quickly with a statement to the effect - "our first preference was always to keep Jesse, he's a quality young man but he's been through so much in his life that if wanted to go back to be closer to family it was something we fully understood. That's why we entertained this in the first place, unfortunately while Freo through buckets of money at him they were unreasonable to deal with and we're keeping him and will be working on a long term deal".

Those 2 picks are worth 213 points or around pick pick 55, so maybe we could get a lower 50s pick but it won't be anything brilliant. These type of deals are the back end (steak knives) to other player trades, or will be the ones that get worked out after the player trade period finishes on Wednesday - there's an extra 2 days for picks to be traded.

I actually think Maxy could go the other way and move more towards the backline. Not as a 1 on 1 defender but similar to what he did this year and really play as lose man filling holes. If BP (my nickname contender) can hold his own as a forward then switching them depending on the game situation could work very well - it's something that's not been seen at AFL level either.

Some mentioned the salary cap relief and that's now a big thing, the AFL even admitted this year for the first time they'll allow salary cap dumps (done in the NBA all the time). So the $200k or so we'll save this year having Preuss instead of Tyson will allow us more cap to resign some of the guys coming out of contract next year (Salem, Weid, ANB and Melky being the most pressing - unless Hogan stays), or might allow us to go after a 'big fish' fish next year. We'll also have Lewis and Jones coming out of contract plus maybe some savings form Hogan so 2019 could be a big trading year cause we should have a heap of cap space.

I was hoping we might have been able to do that if we got pick 5 if Hogan goes. Maybe we could offer Adelaide pick 5 & 36 for picks 13, 16 & 21 (in points value about a 800 difference in our favor, but the move up the board negates that for Adelaide). If we go after May, be able to give pick 11 (assuming we got 5 & 11), and then 21, while we'd get May, KK and picks 13 & 16.

Guessing! I'd be happy with that as a trade though, very much doubt we'd be getting 5 & 6 this year like most want.

Somewhat reasonable (but the club would be a little more subtle I suspect), I'm sure they might have said we'll give you a similar long term deal that Freo are offering so we don't have to do this again next year otherwise if we get a great offer we'll move on it because you'll be out of contract and the 'noise' could be very unsettling next season.

If we gave pick 100odd, and Freo paid most of his salary, then I'd say yes, but only if we were allowed to put the following conditions on him (if he breaches one then instant dismissal/retirement): - He has to live with a member of the football department (Viney, Macca etc.) I know that younger players sometimes do (in particular those from interstate) - He has to agree to an alcohol ban, and be tested at the discretion of the club (of course his issues have included other substances, but that's ASADAs place to test). - He has a curfew of 9pm, unless prior permission is given or out with multiple team members (including if he goes home to visit family). - He follows all team rules and if anyone in the FD feels he is not pulling his weight or is disruptive he's out. If he can do this for the full pre-season there's a chance the switch might reset and he'll fulfill his potential, if he can't commit to this then he doesn't come to the club. If he slips up then we haven't wasted much

There is some talk that Lycett is trying to stay at West coast now, meaning they probably won't want either Lobb (should be discussed in the Hogan thread really) or Roughead. I know we were linked with Roughead very early on, so maybe he might come into the picture. More than a handy backup and also can play back.