Deespicable

I would have thought Pedo was one of several players on the cusp of being delisted. He's 29 next season and has shown that he has a clean pair of hands (unlike Dawes) and is a thumping kick (unlike Hoges) and works hard. But he also is regarded as being a tad slow which means he can't play the lead-up role anywhere near as well as the two players mentioned. On top of that he is out of contract which means that he is one the club will be discussing - it's a lot easier to cut him than say Dawes who has a year to run on a big contract. To me, it will probably ultimately get down to Fitzy or Pedo - with both potentially redrafted as rookies.

I reckon all these wins would be making Howe and Col think about re-signing with us. And the problem for them is that because they've waited till now - and our salary cap priority now is Gawn and fitting Prestia in - then they can probably get more money elsewhere. I actually think we may end up almost pushing one of them out.

That's interesting Django - are you so adamant about Goodes issue not being racist? I remember watching all the pre-season stuff before he went down and he was doing all the forward drills. And somehow Brayshaw has spent almost the entire year as a small forward, yet he was regarded as a midfielder.

Why all the talk about Treloar? Yes, he's a good tough, hardworking player and fits Roosy' big-bodied midfielder mantra. But do we really need another clearance type who has great aerial skills ahead of say a hard-working running type who can break lines - I thought that's what everyone complains about with our style. I'm sorry but I reckon the club would have only minimal interest in wasting its top pick and a player to get Treloar and that's even if they could match what the Pies, North and Dogs can offer. Would those wanting him actually be happy if Vince or Viney or Jones was forced out of the midfield set-up? To me the player we wanted was Dylan Shiel because he provides dash and works hard - but unfortunately that boat has sailed. Danger would be nice too and is in keeping with our urgent need - but that boat has also sailed. So why is everyone working themselves into a lather about Treloar being on the market? Does anyone have some inside info about him wanting to come or is it just dreamy hot air by Demonlanders?

The thing is that Col, unlike, Howey, is a RFA, which means that if a club really wants him, we have to decide if we want to match the offer. It also means that we are most likely to be given a compensation pick - it won't be first round, but it is likely to be second round pick - approx 23-26 by my reckoning as we have an easy run home. That would be almost too good in some people's eyes but a good compo for us. If we are really unlucky the panel will gives us only a third round pick - 41-46 - that would be a real bummer and unders. As to his salary, it's hard to see us wanting to fork out another $500K this time for him (he was coming off 2nd in B&F then), especially as we are apparently close to cap already and we want to make a big play on Prestia and also to offer Gawn some really good long-term coin which now is a priority. To me, both Col and Howey have chosen the wrong year to be out of contract - I reckon they will have to stay loyal for less than what they are on - or will be pushed out as part of the Prestia deal. It's not as if they have shown themselves to be indispensable this year - just useful members of a senior group that Roosy is very loyal to. Frost, when he's fit can easily fill Garland's role, and Lumumba can also play Howe's third-man up role. Then there's also Fitzy and A-Mac as back-ups and Pedo if necessary. We could also make a play for Curtly Hampson with our 2nd rounder if we are worried that a potential Howe departure leaves us one short in the running department down back.

Yep I agree he would add class to our midfield and will require decent coin and decent trade. It's why both Howe and Garland in some respects have chosen the wrong year to be coming out of contract. With an emerging list (yes I know we've only won 4 games) my understanding is we no longer have massive room in our cap. Garland signed his last deal after his runner-up B&F deal and I think he'd have to accept a substantial salary loss to stay loyal. That's fair enough because he's no longer in our top 10 players (some would say not in our top 20). I don't think Howey is on such a big amount, but he still will find it hard to obtain a massive price hike at another club and his moderate season does not help his chances. Both will be in demand from other clubs (I suspect late second round), so we should be able to get something in return that helps our Prestia deal. Fitzy may also attract some interest, although if Garland goes, he should be a priority signing for us. When you look at the others out of contract, the big key now should be signing Gawn - any word anyone? 2015 Jamar 31 (UFA), Garland 26 (RFA), McKenzie 24, Howe 24, Gawn 23, Fitzpatrick 23, Toumpas 21, Pedersen 28, Hunt 19, Cross 32, Bail 26, Riley 23, Harmes ® 19, King ® 19, White ® 18

Interesting list but I suspect it's not the year for wholesale changes - we have done that already for past two years and this year's draft apparently lacks depth/quality. Pulling apart your list the following seem strange: Trengove - while we all know Roosy considered shipping him to Richmond last season, he has gone on record saying how impressed he is with his attitude. It would be downright nasty to axe him given his injuries. Obviously if his foot shows no sign of healing, then he's a potential retirement. But injury and AFL rotations permitting, he should be a very handy recruit next season. White - So far he's impressed as a first-year rookie and we lack left-foot defenders. He'll get another year to see if he progresses. Grimes - As with Trengove, it would be incredibly nasty to terminate him. I actually still really rate his smarts and think he is well worth keeping. Hunt - He is two more solid VFL games from being kept. Unlike most players he has an asset (pace) which makes normal rules go out the door. The following are questionable Bail or Matt Jones - I suspect unless there is a couple of really worthwhile uncontracted players options available, then we will see at least one of these guys retained. Both work hard, even if their disposal lacks punch. Riley - As with the above two, he may yet be kept - will depend on quality of UP. Fitzy - I thought he should have been delisted last year but provided he has good runners around him and doesn't play tunnelball again, I really am liking him as a back-up tall. The following are on the money Jamar - Gawn's game down at Geelong ended any chance of the Russian being kept for another season. Terlich - Yes he is contracted, but read between the lines of the VFL reports and you will know he's on the outer. McKenzie - A great loyal citizen who works as hard as anyone, but his disposal skills unfortunately have brought about his demise. Hope Casey recruits him. The following may happen Howe - Yes he may want out, but if he does it will only be via a similar like-for-like trade - as per Clark/Lumumba/Varcoe. Have faith in Roosy to get the right return if he does go. The following you missed Pedo/Dawes - When you look at our list profile, we are top heavy in the 27-28 yo bracket and we can't justify both of these blokes, particularly when you have Frost as the first choice of the three. I'm tipping that one will be given a surprise nudge and given Pedo isn't contracted he may be the sacrifice - although he could be redrafted as a rookie if no better back-up tall option emerges. Michie - He dominates VFL as the clever clearance player but at AFL level he's too small and not quite fast enough to have the same impact. We now have too many good midfielders to keep him. Sure we have been lucky that Vince and Nat Jones haven't been injured, but Angus, Vanders and Neal-Bullen are champing at the bit to get a shot in the middle - so that leaves Viv well back in the pecking order. Toump - He still has a tiny bit of currency, so his name will come up - the question will be whether anyone really wants him. I'll tip that he's kept for one more year. As to rookie list - second-year rookies Harmes and King will be upgraded (both subject to dramatic loss of form in final 8 weeks). So out: Jamar, Terlich, McKenzie, Michie, one of Bail/Jones, one of Pedo/Dawes. In: 4 national draft picks plus 2 rookies to replace upgraded Harmes and King. If a strong UP comes up, then either the Bail/M Jones leftover goes, Riley goes or Toump is traded. Howe is a separate deal that may not even eventuate but will not effect above.

I reckon Grimesy is only two more good games away from some major retractions from people who have bagged him for the past two years. Both he and Trengove were given the captaincy way before they should have, but they got it then because they had great work ethic and team principles. Unfortunately it forced them to try and do too much and they found themselves in the horrors. Grimesy is not a long kick, nor is he mega quick, but he is courageous and reliable and smart on the field with his positioning. Like everyone he will make the odd error and get pinned and get marked on, but at least you know that for the majority of the time he is doing the right thing and is making formation correctly. Trengove's situation is tougher, not just because of his injury, but also because of the 120 rotation rule, which means his strength - endurance - is not a strength and his lack of blistering pace - becomes a liability. But those who saw him in the first three seasons know he has the work ethic to succeed, tackles incredibly well and is also smart. If the interchange rule drops to 80 - he will be a really big factor for us again - provided his foot mends correctly this time. As to trade value, no one will take Toump, Dawes or Watts - except as insurance at the rookie draft or as a bottom order swap of positions. But Howey will have some currency and is likely to be worth a second round pick IMO.

Can we please get a reply from Georgiou - whilst we all make errors (eg: Jetta), this post is now worthy of an award!

Fantastic intro to this thread and crying image adds to the effect. I can cope with Gysberts, Cook because basically we got the players we wanted (albeit not up to it) and did not appear influenced by outside factors. I can also cope with Scully and Trengove because we got great compo for Sculls and I still have some hope for Trengove - provided he employs a sprints coach off-season. But the two most damaging choices in the past 10 years are doubtless the change of heart non-decisions - Nic Nat and Wines. Nic Nat would have been the most marketable icon we could ever have taken - he would have been our Richo. Jim Stynes was keen on him and so were we we, all season, until JW took a mark to win the U18 champs and tested so well that we switched tack. I would love to have been a fly on the wall at the draft meeting where our wise guys swapped - my belief is that Prendergast pushed for it, but I'd love someone to confirm that. Then we were into Wines and loved his ethic and altered because everyone seemed to be rating JT higher and he was an outside player that we also needed and Neeld wanted. Todd Viney was overruled and the rest is now history. The moral of the story is go for the player who you like - it's a lot easier to rationalise if it doesn't work out.

We had a play for Ollie Wines two years ago and someone decided we needed an outside runner more - sadly that option is gone now. I still would love someone to confirm who over-ruled Todd Viney on drafting Wines?

Yes, agree with you he doesn't look like a star. When he played well in 2011 SANFL finals he looked quick, but so far he's looked just a smidgeon faster than Trengove and Jordie. He's got elite kicking skills and good vision, but I reckon his marking in a contest is abysmal as well. I can't see him making it as a wingman or outside runner, but he has big hips and looks strong in a tackle, so he may have to become an inside player - which if that's the case means Ollie Wines should have been drafted before him. Maybe his hip issues from last season slowed him down and with a pre-season of strength and speed work, he may find an extra yard. I remember Glenn Lovett looked slow and useless in his first couple of seasons and then really developed as a smart linkman.