i think we are all missing the point with this discussion.

i am not discounting bizzel as a player who has performed this year when he has been needed (in a poor team he has been reasonable). however, at 30 years of age, i still dont believe he has enough to offer the mfc as we look to win a premiership in the coming half decade. the money he is paid, and the position he holds, would be better utilised on player retainment and in developing a younger defender. bizzell might get a season next year. he might even play a few games the year after. but while he may be a servicable defender, and while he may perform when needed, we need to develop players who will be around for 10 years at the expense of his sort of player.

the only thing that might save him is that there are heaps of guys who will be delisted before him. however, if we could only keep one tall defender in reserve i would keep holland because at least he can play a specific role that no one else can...

I'm pretty confident that Rivers was a good player before he met Clint Bizzell, and will continue to be a good player long after Bizzell has retired.

Keep him on to help the kids if you like. We've got so many other players we need to cut, he might just survive and enjoy a year down at Sandy.

Spot on Jaded.

I dont see how a good player crediting his some of his development on another player makes that credited player better than the good player.

Rivers by a mile. Rivers may have learnt some things off Bizzell and that's fine. He clearly has not picked up Bizzell's lack of accountability , lack of pace and brain fades under pressure.

Bizzell is a fringe defender made to look better by a side that has been deplorable this year. The teams deplorable performance this year makes the absence of a player of Rivers' class even more diabolical.

For me, the question is not so much "Why has Bizzell been dropped?", but more "Why was Bizzell one of only a few senior players playing at Sandy on the weekend?"

Personally, I think Bizzell performed admirably in his appearances this year, and at this stage of his career I don't think we or he could have asked for much more out of him. However, if we're going to drop him seemingly on the basis that he has no future on the list, then there are few others who should be seeing out the year at Sandy and loking forward to another Zebra flag.

Realistically there is a list of about eight players who could be delisted at the end of the year and we'd be none the worse for it. I doubt we'd go quite that beresque with the chainsaw, but I'd really like to see as many of the juveniles played as possible in the last four games. I do realise that the young brigade has been completely massacred yb injury this year, but Bode should be getting a run from here on, as should C. Johnson, Dunn and even Neville. I think at 3-15 we can all be in agreeance that the campaign is well and truly over, so why not put young Neville or Johnson in? They could both well be delisted at season's end, but i'd rather give them the chop knowing that they'd been tried and failed rather than let them go wondering if they could have made a career for themselves.

Yep, I think Bizzell could have done a better job than at least a quarter of our side for much of the season, but now that it's shot to pieces I'd like to see more of the old stagers mke way for the youngsters desperate for their careers not to end before they begin.

Bizzell has only played 2 good games for the year. How can anyone say he should be in the side ? Anyone who says that Bizzell should be in the team can not then say why don't we bring in the kids.

Spot on Jaded.

I dont see how a good player crediting his some of his development on another player makes that credited player better than the good player.

Rivers by a mile. Rivers may have learnt some things off Bizzell and that's fine. He clearly has not picked up Bizzell's lack of accountability , lack of pace and brain fades under pressure.

Bizzell is a fringe defender made to look better by a side that has been deplorable this year. The teams deplorable performance this year makes the absence of a player of Rivers' class even more diabolical.

You clearly missed the point

Bizzel was dropped because he is not our future!

why cant people see we have to move past our old fringe players and move onto our youngsters

You clearly missed the point

Your point is that Rivers is a better player because of Bizzell, and Bizzell has a lot to teach the younger players coming through, is it not?

Wonderful, but can he please do all that at Sandringham and not take away a spot from a kid who has a long term future at this club?

Oh, and if you really believe that Rivers' talents have anything to do with Bizzell, than I'm not sure I should bother.

Rivers made Rivers the player he is, not Bizzell. Dear god, are we clutching at straws or what?

hes better than fergy

Spot on Jaded.

I dont see how a good player crediting his some of his development on another player makes that credited player better than the good player.

Rivers by a mile. Rivers may have learnt some things off Bizzell and that's fine. He clearly has not picked up Bizzell's lack of accountability , lack of pace and brain fades under pressure.

Bizzell is a fringe defender made to look better by a side that has been deplorable this year. The teams deplorable performance this year makes the absence of a player of Rivers' class even more diabolical.

bizzel started his career as a forward .... perhaps he often forgets he has to be accountable as anyone else on the feild

"accountabilty" how many times have i heard that in ur 2900 posts.

i reckon about 2800

You clearly missed the point

Thanks but i didn't.

bizzel started his career as a forward .... perhaps he often forgets he has to be accountable as anyone else on the feild

"accountabilty" how many times have i heard that in ur 2900 posts.

i reckon about 2800

That is more damning of Bizzell than I could ever write.

I am glad you read my posts.

Bizzel was dropped because he is not our future!

Then why are Holland, Ward, Brown, Miller, Ferguson and Godfrey getting a game?

Then why are Holland, Ward, Brown, Miller, Ferguson and Godfrey getting a game?

because riley is a [censored] jockey.

every person is the afl can see we should be playing our developing players ahead of guyz like ward, brown, holland, bizzel, pickett and godfrey.

the only person who cant see it is our selfish [censored] of a coach who is trying to be more competative by playing 30yr olds...

hey riley, how's that working out for u? we lose each week by 60 points and we cant even hang our hats on youngsters developing

Your point is that Rivers is a better player because of Bizzell, and Bizzell has a lot to teach the younger players coming through, is it not?

Wonderful, but can he please do all that at Sandringham and not take away a spot from a kid who has a long term future at this club?

Oh, and if you really believe that Rivers' talents have anything to do with Bizzell, than I'm not sure I should bother.

Rivers made Rivers the player he is, not Bizzell. Dear god, are we clutching at straws or what?

Jaded, I really don't care if you believe me or not, the fact is that my source is Jared himself. So now you can easily prove that I'm wrong, go and ask him what influence Bizzell had on him in his first couple of years at the club.

One other thing, considering what you have recently falsely accused me off can you please refrain fromconstantly replying to my posts in a sarcastic manner, it's obvious that you're trying to bait me but I refuse to be bullied by you.

The fact is that Bizzell has been, still is and will continue to be a very good footballer.

It's just sad that some people are blind to it.

Thanks but i didn't.

That is more damning of Bizzell than I could ever write.

I am glad you read my posts.

Fine, ask Jared then and prove me wrong.

Jaded, I really don't care if you believe me or not, the fact is that my source is Jared himself. So now you can easily prove that I'm wrong, go and ask him what influence Bizzell had on him in his first couple of years at the club.

One other thing, considering what you have recently falsely accused me off can you please refrain fromconstantly replying to my posts in a sarcastic manner, it's obvious that you're trying to bait me but I refuse to be bullied by you.

I never said I didn't believe you.

But I think it's naive to think that Bizzell actually made Rivers a good player. No doubt he helped him along the way, but Bizzell couldn't have helped him if he wasn't a great player to begin with.

With our without Bizzell, Rivers would still be a good player.

I was being serious when I said that he can stay on the list, and help the kids, but I was being even more serious when I said that he needs to do that while playing for Sandy.

Do you disagree with my summary of your opinion?

Fine, ask Jared then and prove me wrong.

I dont see the need to validate Jared's words as whatever he says does not make Bizzell a better footballer than Rivers is.

I agree with your assessment that Bizzell is likely to be given an extension albeit providing value at Sandy.

I dont see the need to validate Jared's words as whatever he says does not make Bizzell a better footballer than Rivers is.

I agree with your assessment that Bizzell is likely to be given an extension albeit providing value at Sandy.

Will be interesting to see whether he gets picked this week......I reckon he will get an extension as well...

Will be interesting to see whether he gets picked this week......I reckon he will get an extension as well...

Will he be picked tonight??