Why dont we get the [censored] eye boys down! They cant paint the players bedrooms and give them all lovely haircuts and facials!

C'mon if we're gunna play crappy footy we may aswell look good...

If your gunna attack the club on their conditioning of players Jones is not the best example.

Sounds good to me, at least when we loose by 15 goals each game for the next 5 weeks we will look nice!

yeah i think it can be simplistic maurie if you take it simply as 'bulking up', or putting on body mass. what i think the point is that many players in the MFC are WEAK, i.e. they get knocked off/ over/ away from contests far too easily and it looks pathetic, because it is!

That got little to do with bulking up.

Good heavens Quinten Lynch is over 100kgs but continually gets knocked out of contests when the ball hits the deck.

You are combining a number of issues and arriving at a wrong conclusion.

I never said that weight loss = weak, i just said that i feel for Jones because he needed to lose a fair bit of muscle, which is a lot of hard work to gain, and whilst he has had individual success, the team has gone backwards in a big way.

He sacrificed for the team, and got very little back from it.

How do you know?

Jones is a better footballer this year than last year. He lost weight over the summer. How much muscle did he lose?

Actual body weight is irrelevant. Muscular, definition and strength is whats important and I agree that our players look like children compared to some of the other teams.

The bicep/tricep shoulder definition and strength of guys like Cousins Kerr etc is what allows them to break tackles and effect accurate disposal despite pressure. A majority of our guys get squashed in tackles and get brushed off far too easily.

Say what you want about physical appearance and size but if you think they likes of Nathan Jones and Lynden Dunn etc aren't intimidated and feel inferior when they look at the builds of some of their opponents you are kidding yourselves. Remember the mental side of the game is mazzive and often underestimated.

Same goes for our KPPs they look pathetic next to the real power men of the game. Even Neitz and Miller look physically too big powerful guys like J Brown and Hall. And that should not be the case.

You know, I watched the Crows v Bombers game and by gee the Crows are one solid unit! Their physical appearence is of well muscled lads that don't get pushed of the ball easily. Now compare the Crows guys to ours. WE ARE STICKS!! Scott Thomspon was a good build when he was with us ... not big but not skinny. Have you now seen the size of this guy! He is massive and has not been pushed of the ball easily. Ever since he has gone to Adelaide he just gets bigger and bigger. Even Nick Gill looks bigger than Brad Miller!!!

The Crows are masssive, the young kids are also strongly built lads eg Chris Knights, Ivan Maric and so on.. yet other clubs seem to have big bodies everywhere where as you look at Melbourne' we are just skin! I remember watchin the Essendon game this year with my gf and she has never watched footy nor take any notice ... but the one thing she said to me was ''boy Daniel Ward must be the most skiniest guy out there! I agreed whole so much. look at blokes like Cameron Bruce, Daniel Ward, Nathan Brown, Clint Bartram, Paul Wheatley, Lynden Dunn, Matthew Warnock and Ryan Ferguson. These guys just get pushed off to easily. and guys like Jared Rivers, Matty Bate, Michael Newton and Lynden Dunn are gonna be tried out for key position. Well, sadly they are just not big enough. Brock McLean, Colin Sylvia, Nathan Jones, Nathan Carroll, Brent Moloney, Daniel Bell are good solid hard hitting players but its just not enough. Knowing our luck its gonna take years before Frawls and Garland are big ennough for key positions. I'm sick of this losing weight [censored]!! We are soft as butter and this needs to change.

WE NEED SOME BIG MUSCLED PLAYERS!! NOT SKINNY DIPPERS.

Agrre entirely - I've long thought how slight we were comaped to the stongs sides we came up agaist. Look at the builds of West Coast & Geelong , Sudney & Adelaide, Brisbane in their prime. Intimidating all over the ground. We still haven'y got a defender with any physical presence at all - Carroll & Rivers are good players but lack weight, Ferguson has not developed at all ( why did he play last week ? ), anf Miller's lst his aggression. Here's hoping Bater and Chip will be able to step up..anf Jones gets a chance to become the next Todd Viney :angry:

and Jones gets a chance to become the next Todd Viney :angry:

Only better!!! B)