Can he win his own ball? Yes

Can he do something with it when he gets it? Yes

Does he provide leadership? Yes

Does he have a lot of experience? Yes

Is he an old man? Yes

Is he still better than nine-tenths of our list? Yes

That is the O'Keefe of 2013 not 2015

Can he win his own ball? Yes

Can he do something with it when he gets it? Yes

Does he provide leadership? Yes

Does he have a lot of experience? Yes

Is he an old man? Yes

Is he still better than nine-tenths of our list? Yes

exactly DA... Until we get enough players in our leadership, to be able to change the playboy hero's attitude we have, where our young guys seem to think they're stars of AFL, when they haven't done anything, then we as a club simply won't change.

we need leaders from outside to tell & to show us what it is to play winning AFL footy. bringing in more young ones without having enough great leaders, is just adding more fuel to the pyre.

we probably need both O'Keefe & Ball as well, ontop of Crossy.

We have to draft the top kids early draft, or trade some 22Yr olds into our list, but we really need these great leaders to help change things up, in the heads of our young ones.

50 something years is way too long, not to learn from our own same mistakes.