My issue is that you, satyriconhome, are completely misrepresenting the past for the purposes of your argument.

The past about Morton and Cook, which YOU brought up.

That is all.

Moi, what a bit of fact frighten you off, suggest you read what i have been posting in the interim

If you want to debate, I will, but you have to back up what you are saying

It is not acknowledging the truth, most posters on this board, myself included, would not know what the whole truth is concerning how the Club reached the point they reached a couple of weeks ago, we all have opinions or the rebuttal of, a lot of which are based on half truths, rumour, innuendo, chinese whispers etc etc

It isn't chinese whispers or rumour. It is our record at the draft and in trades - that is why we are in the mess we are in. Jackson said that the most important role is the one managing the list. And he disn't mean the List Manager, he meant that a club lives and dies by the talent it brings in, and keeps, compared to others in the league.

When we lost Pick 5, 32, and 47 for salary cap cheating it hurt.

When we squandered Picks 4, 9, 11, 13, 14, 15, and 21 over seven drafts (2001-2007) it hurts. No matter how 'understandable' those failures are.

All this was started because a guy recruited by the Dark Side played one of his best games for the Club, not necessarily a great game but for 3 qtrs he helped neutralise one of the in form midfielders in the comp, some posters because of the past seem reluctant to acknowledge that, or his improvement, which is a concern to some of us

And yet, we are having this to-and-fro because I defended his recruitment. Explaining that if his recruitment was a failure - it was of infinitesimal significance compared to the real reasons we are where we are.

It isn't chinese whispers or rumour. It is our record at the draft and in trades - that is why we are in the mess we are in. Jackson said that the most important role is the one managing the list. And he disn't mean the List Manager, he meant that a club lives and dies by the talent it brings in, and keeps, compared to others in the league.

When we lost Pick 5, 32, and 47 for salary cap cheating it hurt.

When we squandered Picks 4, 9, 11, 13, 14, 15, and 21 over seven drafts (2001-2007) it hurts. No matter how 'understandable' those failures are.

And yet, we are having this to-and-fro because I defended his recruitment. Explaining that if his recruitment was a failure - it was of infinitesimal significance compared to the real reasons we are where we are.

Rpfc, let it go. Trying to debate a point with Sat is like trying to educate a brick wall, it'll get you nowhere.

Watch the game from last week again and see how many kicks he butchered. HARDLY ANY!

In fact some of his kicks were a high degree of difficulty and pinpoint perfect.

Also take into consideration that a tagger is constantly chasing, then running off his player. This constant physical exertion makes it a lot harder to kick with composure.

Yes, his disposal has been woeful in the past but he has obviously worked hard on this area of his game and it is starting to show.

17 disposals at 82.4% efficiency - 6 marks - 4 clearances - 3 rebound 50's - 3 inside 50's - 11 tackles - 112 Dream Team points.

All while chasing one of the best mids currently in the game.

FCS start giving our young players a chance to develop.

True, good post.

Rpfc, let it go. Trying to debate a point with Sat is like trying to educate a brick wall, it'll get you nowhere.

I actually thought it was it quite good, hence I haven't replied, if the poster makes sense, I don't usually rail against it, it is usually the 'orcs' that I do