Now I know Llyoyd is probably the last person we should be looking to for advice, but he made some very good comments this morning on SEN.

Mentioned the indifference at Essendon over the last few years, but that no matter how tense things were, the club would never go out and lose by 180+ points. He said that even if there was an issue, and if the players really did support Dean, they'd have played FOR him, because they must have known his head was on the chopping board.

So, this put things into perspective for me, and one would expect a team to respond in the same way Lloyd has suggested. For a team that says it supports its coach, to lose by 31 goals is just not right, but the team is far better than that (let's be honest: Geelong is not 31 goals ahead of anyone, nor is any other team).

This makes me think of a few things:

1. How bad must things really be behind closed doors for the players to respond so.....carelessly, and on the game day?

2. There is clearly something a lot deeper: It was 186 points. Something causes that. It's not the 70s anymore. No team is 31-goals worse than any other team in the comp.

3. What level is the leadership at if a team with that sort of mentality -- one of angst towards management -- is willing to just play like that.

4. There must be very, VERY little respect for the jumper and club if such issues are causing a player revolt on gameday, even if that revolve is subconsciously and unintentional.

Is this a joke - ask him how they did in their only final in Adelaide. Is he conveniently rewriting history here and all the shallackings they went through. His team just kicked 2 of the last 14 goals against the pies and wants to preach how we are not as strong as the bombers. Given his coach just told us how selfish he was not playing the coaches way I call the pot calling kettle black here