That's my point Jarka. The issue of leadership is superfluous if you haven't got the talent. The Cat's talent eventually shone through.

Premiership sides are littered with ratbags. Hell, Martin Pike won 4 of them without being a model citizen off the field.

I agree mo

Remarkable...you manage to see something you did not argue and then say you did! "Culture nothing to do with leadership" - check your post. That position effectively sidelines culture to the type of coffee you drink. How the hell do you reckon that 'culture' works? What about players not being informed of important stuff...like what? What aspect of a person would the players NOT know about that would include or exclude them from leadership position? Only at the extremes is this possible or relevant, and extremes are not good reasons to make rules re: the way leaders are picked - extremes make bad law.

As I originally stated, I think that it is best done as it is - Bailey has a role and the rest is guided by the player under the 'leading teams' group.

Remarkable...you manage to see something you did not argue and then say you did! "Culture nothing to do with leadership" - check your post. That position effectively sidelines culture to the type of coffee you drink. How the hell do you reckon that 'culture' works? What about players not being informed of important stuff...like what? What aspect of a person would the players NOT know about that would include or exclude them from leadership position? Only at the extremes is this possible or relevant, and extremes are not good reasons to make rules re: the way leaders are picked - extremes make bad law.

As I originally stated, I think that it is best done as it is - Bailey has a role and the rest is guided by the player under the 'leading teams' group.

What are you babbling about?

This is what you accused me of:

Clearly you do not understand what I mean by culture, nor do you see it as important.

This is what I actually posted:

The 'changing the culture' line of reasoning is a completely seperate issue to choosing the leadership group, from what I've seen bailey has been doing pretty much everything right since the pre-season in regards to that issue, it's clear that he got the leadership one wrong because there were changes made to it halfway through the season. Bailey is good (imo), he's doign alot to change the culture of the club but he got this one wrong.

I clearly state that I think he's doing a good job changing the culture of the club, hell I repeated myself on the issue - I SAID IT TWICE!!!. How you somehow translated that into me thinking that the culture of the club is not important is bewildering.

You need to stop arguing just for the sake of arguing, it's pretty obvious how desperate you are to win points off me.

Go right ahead and make up some other crap about me but do it in another thread, I'm not goign to bother to reply to this dribble because I'm sure everyone is bored of reading this crap. If you want to debate the issues go right ahead, just don't make stuff up, it's embarrasing

I'm sure everyone is bored of reading this crap.

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I'm sorry rogue that you have to put up with it