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It is pretty obvious that Hawthorn are going to be a massive force in the next 5+ seasons, yet less than 5 seasons ago, they were in our boat. Why not try to implement some of their idea’s to help us rebuild into a force.

We need to follow a similar model to what Hawthorn did during 2004-05-06… they didn’t finish last in any of those seasons, but traded for 1st round draft-picks. 2008 is ‘our’ 2004, so in theory we should start afresh and trade for as many first round picks as we can get. Hawthorn had 5 picks in the first 26 of the 2004 National Draft (three top-10). 2009 should be ‘our’ 2005… 5 picks in the first 22 of the draft (three in the top-14).

Below are positions that I believe are almost set for the next decade… there are a few holes that need to be filled obviously, but our midfield is in pretty good shape… which is a really good base to work from (as shown by power sides like Brisbane 2001-2004, West Coast 2005-2007, Geelong 2007-Present).

FB: ???????? Frawley (22) ????????

CHB: Petterd (22) Rivers (25) ????????

C: Morton (20) Jones (22) Davey (27)

CHF: Miller (27) Bate (23) ????????

FF: ???????? ???????? Wonaeamirri (22)

R: ???????? McLean (24) Sylvia (25)

INTERCHANGE/EMERGENCY/UN-TRIED/DELISTED/TRADED/RETIRED:

Neitz (35)

McDonald (34)

Yze (33)

White(33)

Holland (33)

Robertson (32)

Whelan (31)

Bruce (31)

Carroll (30)

Green (29)

Wheatley (29)

Jamar (27)

Miller (27)

Warnock (26)

Moloney (26)

P. Johnson (26)

Bell (25)

C. Johnson (24)

Martin (24)

Meesen (24)

Buckley (23)

Newton (23)

Bode (23)

Dunn (23)

Bartram (23)

Valenti (23)

Garland (22)

Grimes (21)

Zomer (21)

Cheney (21)

Weetra (21)

Spencer (21)

Maric (20)

McNamara (20)

* Ages at January 1, 2011 (I apologize if any errors are there)

Looking at the ‘Hawthorn model’, they targeted key position players in the majority of those drafts picks… and we have to do the same. I hope the likes of Newton, Martin, Dunn, etc. can fill some of those holes… but it is about time we can poach stars who can blow games open (easier said than done… but have some mongrel, offer an up-and-coming key position star some big cash to jump ship [i know of one player with initials L.F who followed the us as a kid… or even some of his team-mates, they have a plethora of young key position players]).

A good start to solve our 2010-11 ruck woes would be to draft Naitanui and hopefully get Warnock over from Fremantle in this P.S.D. With the new teams entering the competition, that will also be our opportunity to get some early picks by trading some of our established players and so forth. We must not trade for players over 26 this year… they will be past their peak when we are ready to charge.

Forget the frustration of this season, and look forward… our core group of under-25s is not too shabby at all. I am willing to go through a few seasons of agony if it is going to lead to 4-5seasons as a genuine contender in 3-4yrs time.

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    Yeah, just regarding our 'rebuild', considering we got pick 4 last year and traded out a few oldies and Johnston for Grimes, I'd say we're into our second, not first year of it!

    But bring on the Melbourne version of Franklin!

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    Yeah, just regarding our 'rebuild', considering we got pick 4 last year and traded out a few oldies and Johnston for Grimes, I'd say we're into our second, not first year of it!

    But bring on the Melbourne version of Franklin!

    Agreed, - the future :>

    Valenti Shane

    Martin Stefan

    Grimes Jack

    Morton Cale

    Weetra Isaac

    Garland Colin

    Warnock Matthew

    Maric Addam

    Jamar Mark

    Johnson Paul

    Spencer Jake - Qld

    Bode Jace

    Zomer Trent

    McNamara Tom

    Wonaeamirri Austin

    Cheney Kyle

    Meesen John

    Johnson Chris - nearly 21 yrs of age.

    Buckley Simon

    Frawley James

    Sylvia Colin - coming on

    Miller Brad - Qld

    Bartram Clint

    Petterd Ricky - Qld

    Moloney Brent

    Bate Matthew

    Rivers Jared

    Davey Aaron

    Green Brad

    McLean Brock

    Bruce Cameron

    McDonald James

    Carroll Nathan

    Jones Nathan

    -------------------------------------------------------------------------------

    {Dunn Lynden-----} Pot'Trade Value?

    {Bell Daniel--------} Pot'Trade Value? Expressions of interest?

    {Wheatley Paul----} Pot'Trade Value?

    {Newton Michael---} Pot'Trade Value?

    Holland Ben--- Pot'Trade Value???

    Robertson Russell---Pot'Trade Value????

    Whelan Matthew

    White Jeff

    Neitz David--Retire

    Yze Adem--Retire

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    Ruckman -

    2 gorillas in the Keating/Charman model.

    So PJ and Jamar if he plays like on the w/end.

    Need a midfielder who can break the lines aka Wojcinski (still think Davey is a forward)

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    It is pretty obvious that Hawthorn are going to be a massive force in the next 5+ seasons, yet less than 5 seasons ago, they were in our boat. Why not try to implement some of their idea’s to help us rebuild into a force.

    We need to follow a similar model to what Hawthorn did during 2004-05-06… they didn’t finish last in any of those seasons, but traded for 1st round draft-picks. 2008 is ‘our’ 2004, so in theory we should start afresh and trade for as many first round picks as we can get. Hawthorn had 5 picks in the first 26 of the 2004 National Draft (three top-10). 2009 should be ‘our’ 2005… 5 picks in the first 22 of the draft (three in the top-14).

    Below are positions that I believe are almost set for the next decade… there are a few holes that need to be filled obviously, but our midfield is in pretty good shape… which is a really good base to work from (as shown by power sides like Brisbane 2001-2004, West Coast 2005-2007, Geelong 2007-Present).

    FB: ???????? Frawley (22) ????????

    CHB: Petterd (22) Rivers (25) ????????

    C: Morton (20) Jones (22) Davey (27)

    CHF: Miller (27) Bate (23) ????????

    FF: ???????? ???????? Wonaeamirri (22)

    R: ???????? McLean (24) Sylvia (25)

    INTERCHANGE/EMERGENCY/UN-TRIED/DELISTED/TRADED/RETIRED:

    Neitz (35)

    McDonald (34)

    Yze (33)

    White(33)

    Holland (33)

    Robertson (32)

    Whelan (31)

    Bruce (31)

    Carroll (30)

    Green (29)

    Wheatley (29)

    Jamar (27)

    Miller (27)

    Warnock (26)

    Moloney (26)

    P. Johnson (26)

    Bell (25)

    C. Johnson (24)

    Martin (24)

    Meesen (24)

    Buckley (23)

    Newton (23)

    Bode (23)

    Dunn (23)

    Bartram (23)

    Valenti (23)

    Garland (22)

    Grimes (21)

    Zomer (21)

    Cheney (21)

    Weetra (21)

    Spencer (21)

    Maric (20)

    McNamara (20)

    * Ages at January 1, 2011 (I apologize if any errors are there)

    Looking at the ‘Hawthorn model’, they targeted key position players in the majority of those drafts picks… and we have to do the same. I hope the likes of Newton, Martin, Dunn, etc. can fill some of those holes… but it is about time we can poach stars who can blow games open (easier said than done… but have some mongrel, offer an up-and-coming key position star some big cash to jump ship [i know of one player with initials L.F who followed the us as a kid… or even some of his team-mates, they have a plethora of young key position players]).

    A good start to solve our 2010-11 ruck woes would be to draft Naitanui and hopefully get Warnock over from Fremantle in this P.S.D. With the new teams entering the competition, that will also be our opportunity to get some early picks by trading some of our established players and so forth. We must not trade for players over 26 this year… they will be past their peak when we are ready to charge.

    Forget the frustration of this season, and look forward… our core group of under-25s is not too shabby at all. I am willing to go through a few seasons of agony if it is going to lead to 4-5seasons as a genuine contender in 3-4yrs time.

    You can add Jack Grimes to that team.. He'll be a star, also Maric in the fwd pkt, and Tommy McNamara in the backline, with Garland? Cheney looks like a can also play, and they reakon Spencer is also a good long term prospect- with Naita- Hopefully! And also Moloney, Dunn, and maybe Valenti.

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    Agreed, - the future :>

    Valenti Shane

    Martin Stefan

    Grimes Jack

    Morton Cale

    Weetra Isaac

    Garland Colin

    Warnock Matthew

    Maric Addam

    Jamar Mark

    Johnson Paul

    Spencer Jake - Qld

    Bode Jace

    Zomer Trent

    McNamara Tom

    Wonaeamirri Austin

    Cheney Kyle

    Meesen John

    Johnson Chris - nearly 21 yrs of age.

    Buckley Simon

    Frawley James

    Sylvia Colin - coming on

    Miller Brad - Qld

    Bartram Clint

    Petterd Ricky - Qld

    Moloney Brent

    Bate Matthew

    Rivers Jared

    Davey Aaron

    Green Brad

    McLean Brock

    Bruce Cameron

    McDonald James

    Carroll Nathan

    Jones Nathan

    -------------------------------------------------------------------------------

    {Dunn Lynden-----} Pot'Trade Value?

    {Bell Daniel--------} Pot'Trade Value? Expressions of interest?

    {Wheatley Paul----} Pot'Trade Value?

    {Newton Michael---} Pot'Trade Value?

    Holland Ben--- Pot'Trade Value???

    Robertson Russell---Pot'Trade Value????

    Whelan Matthew

    White Jeff

    Neitz David--Retire

    Yze Adem--Retire

    Who would want Holland? Robbo has no value anymore.. Last year was his last chance, Would keep Newton for another year, wouldn't get much for Bell, wheats, or dunn.. Still worth holding on to Bell and Dunn, Would consider trading or even delisting wheats. Still keep Whelan. Know for a fact Jeff White will retire at end of this year.

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    Who would want Holland? Robbo has no value anymore.. Last year was his last chance, Would keep Newton for another year, wouldn't get much for Bell, wheats, or dunn.. Still worth holding on to Bell and Dunn, Would consider trading or even delisting wheats. Still keep Whelan. Know for a fact Jeff White will retire at end of this year.

    why did you squash my page setup to make this point? >>>

    {Dunn Lynden-----} Pot'Trade Value?

    {Bell Daniel--------} Pot'Trade Value? Expressions of interest?

    {Wheatley Paul----} Pot'Trade Value?

    {Newton Michael---} Pot'Trade Value?

    Holland Ben--- Pot'Trade Value???

    Robertson Russell---Pot'Trade Value????

    Whelan Matthew

    White Jeff

    Neitz David--Retire

    Yze Adem--Retire

    I've separated the pot' trades from the aged list for a reason, & then added Robbo's & Benny's Question marks as they still can play,,, for the right team, someone who needs a med' forward or a handy tall.

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