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Thanks. Hmmm...I'm in the camp of "a camel is a horse designed by committee", so would still like to know who our List Manager is, if we have won. Otherwise, who is driving the list strategy? Coach. Recruiters. GM Football. CEO. Many on DL have commented on the imbalance of our list and lack of certain types and that can easily happen if there is a 'committee' or 'team' approach without one person having clear authority with a clear direction. I'll ask DL's if anyone knows who the List Manager is.

Thanks. Below is the club's staffing under 'List Management'. Your description and the second part of the Lamb role, below, sounds a like the admin side of list management. I was looking for the person in the more traditional role of 'List Manager' (if it isn't Viney as @Lord Nevhas suggested) that has primary responsibility for setting the medium and long term strategy/needs for the list, against which trades and draft are evaluated.

Who has been our List Manager this year?

Thanks. Link now goes to 'Out of Bounds'. I wasn't sure when it disappeared as it was a few weeks ago that I last looked. Hopefully, it will come back when all is said and done.

Until, the last few weeks the club listed all Staff on its website under 'Club'. It showed Football and Non-Football Staff. It has disappeared! The coaching staff appear under the respective groups but I can't find any other Staff info. Maybe it will come back up after all the changes are done...

He has been with us for the best and not so best times of the last decade and by all accounts has been successful in the various roles he has had at the club. Roos sang his praises on OTC the other night. He said Todd is an excellent operator and gave him great support while our coach. Given that Roos is a relatively independent voice I put great store in his comments on Todd. So his replacement will have big shoes to fill.

That change certainly supports the club's goal of reviewing all aspects of the business. These days football technology is critical. By making this change it shows the club highly values this function. I applaud that. Now to find the right person to build the football analysis side of our operations.

Agreed on both bolded points above. Carlton did it with Judd. He didn't give them on-field success but he taught a young side the behaviours needed for success and he had the IQ to deliver the game plan on field (didn't need runners). He also had personal and team success to immediately earn their respect. He gave them an excellent role model and I'm sure Cripps learnt a lot in the few years they had together. Unfortunately Cross, Vince and Lewis weren't with us long enough to become the role models. Some hope that Lever or May will be our leaders. But they need to bed-down their game and roles in the team. Unfortunately injuries have stopped them both doing that. Given it is the current coaches and administration that appointed a very young Viney as co-captain and who are showing no signs of filling the leadership void, I'm not optimistic of importing the person we need. Max is our best bet but given he has been on field all year and performed magnificently he hasn't been able to help overcome the problem of not having runners.

I see the lack of a role model as a cascading issue. Loved Green, a very good player but he wasn't a leader. Grimes/Trengove worked hard had good footy IQ but lacked a leadership role model to learn from or senior players to support them. Jones and Viney lack their smarts and haven't had a leader as a role model either. TMac and a few others have some smarts but again haven't had a role model. Its a catch-22. Not sure how we break it.

The manager would be right on the basis that Frosty is a required but on MFC terms: contract length/$/position in pecking order re senior selection. Terms Frosty is reportedly not happy with. imv, if he stayed he would become 'depth' as May, Lever and Petty will get games before him. Can't imagine he would be happy with being 'depth' and rightly so.

I'm a bit confused Diamond_Jim. Do you mean, in theory, we could get Langdon in the pre-season draft...

Frosty and Langdon are OOC so both clubs need to trade...are you thinking of Tomlinson who is an RFA.

Just another opportunity to pot Roos, right? What about all the good the calls made on his watch. Or are you one of those that attributes the bad calls to Roos and the good calls to Taylor and T.Viney.

I thought Roos said we need wingmen with speed. Not sure if he meant burst speed or endurance speed. They are different to someone taking a run down the fat side of the ground. The Age article says: " Tomlinson is an extremely gifted athlete and has been a constant winner of the Giants' pre-season time trials". Again that doesn't equate to speed as we know with our own time trial winners: TMac and ANB. Not against getting Tomlinson but would prefer someone who is an elite kick or a forward. Being 'free' doesn't necessarily make him a good get especially if we get Langdon who seems to have the same strengths and the same weakness: weaknesses our team has in abundance.

My 5yo great-nephew plays AFL for the Lantau Lizards in Hong Kong. Two weeks ago Spud was there for an inter-club carnival, giving the kids tips: The side of him few people would see how much and how far he went to give back to the game. He touched so many. RIP.

My one line extract from Titus O'Reily's the-monday-knee-jerk-reaction-afl-finals-week-one WCE vs Ess: "The loss keeps the dream of Essendon making 6000 days without a finals win, well and truly alive". Cats vs Pies: "On reflection, Chris Scott was right, it would have been nice for the Cats to have lost on their own ground". GWS vs WBD: "Heading to the Gabba will be a challenge, up there they can’t play “Let’s go, Giants, let’s go” over the speakers. There’s no better way to draw attention to the lack of a crowd than playing fake chants". Lions vs Tigers: "As for Richmond fans, get excited, but not, ‘I’ll get my 2019 Premiers tattoo this week’ excited". Titus is always good for a laugh gets to the nitty gritty of what is actually going on!

He certainly showed them: won The Bluey in his second year with us. Clearly has no regrets and is rapt with how his life has evolved living in Melbourne. And he played 100 mfc games - enough for any little Bernie's to choose the Demons to play for.

Agree with why Richardson chose Dees. Re list management - I hope not!. The Saints list management during his tenure was woeful. And the list is still not in good shape. Richardson was either not in the process (most unlikely as head coach) or wears a significant part of the responsibility. For mine it is time the club found staff who have AFL expertise in their job eg an experienced forward coach, and experienced defence coach and an experienced List Manager. We have had too many coaches with training wheels who learn on the job at the mfc.

Just received a pm from a johnmalcolm: RE: RECOVERED FUND Lots of info asking for contact details etc to refund monies. Clearly a scam. Anyone else receive it?

I didn't say that. I said we had options and Jones could have been sole cap in 2017 when Jack became co-cap. That would give others time to develop and to find a successor to Jones. Max was a candidate in 2017 and definitely in 2018 or 2019. So no, I'm not saying Jones should be sole cap this year.

Todd going (if true) confirms to me that Pert is calling the shots; Mahoney is the conduit and public mouthpiece. No sacred cows, anymore.

1)Don't think so. 2) Various other options for captaincy. The most obvious being to leave Jones as sole captain. And Max says 'hello'. Back to conflict of interest: As List Manager Todd would be in control of any trade options. He sits on the weekly match selection committee. And involved in captaincy decisions. Therefore, he has significant and direct management over his son's career. imv that is a significant conflict of interest and his influence would restrict the club's options on Jack's career, if such circumstances arose.

You deleted from my post the last line which explained the point you disagree with - that Todd has a conflict of interest with Jack at the club...weird to delete it...

If true, it is a very good move by the club. Have often said on here that he is part of the problem for a variety of reasons: Has been here since the Bailey days, for 186, for the supposed 'tanking', for the Neeld era. Not holding him responsible for all that but he is an entrenched part of that culture covering one of the worst decades in our history. imv he has a conflict of interest with his son playing at the Club. The club is now free to make list management, captaincy and match selection decisions about son Jack, if it ever felt it appropriate.

Nic Nat's run down of speedster Saad was awesome! It would be a shame if NN is suspended for shoving Merrett. Got what he deserved. No room for hair pulling in football - a low act.