Winter Dan

Chandler needs to extend his goal kicking run up. In all seriousness no player shd be kicking off a short run up and they shd be appling the BBB method. Tried it at the oval myself and works a treat.  

6 minutes ago, bing181 said:

Notable absentees: Steven May, Jack Viney, Bayley Fritsch, Christian Salem

That's 4 of our top 10 or so players missing, including our key back and forward.

Yep, any opposition side would be thrilled with that luck, i'm currently in the process of negotiating with my self that we shouldnt be favourites and its ok if we dont get up wk 1. 

Resetting expectation. 

Perhaps we put JVR in as sub and if things arent going well, we sub him in and put TMac back. 

Will Laurie just be the sub? 

Yze said in presser that the midfield got tired end of last season so they will be sharing the load through this season - that was a intereating. 

2 hours ago, jnrmac said:

Key for me is how the coaching staff adapt to competitors ripping our game apart. Flexibility and unpredictability will go a long way to us succeeding

Agree, bar injuries, its on the coaches to sort out and adapt tge game plan. 

I actually hope we practice for oppositions sagging back with multiple spare  players in the backline. 

That is where the challenge is for us. We will beat sides on contested possession but can we prevail against the ropadope/slingshot game plan.

5 hours ago, picket fence said:

Spargo kicked 10 goals as a small forward. For all the hype about pressure acts and ball use, on this stat alone he should not be gifted games. Chandler must replace him!

Have been thinking along some similar lines. Not that Spargo is unworthy of his place, i just think he represents the most likely possible upgrade within the 22, as he has his limitations. I was hoping Laurie wld be that upgrade but that is TBC. 

Id be happy for Chandler to get a decent run at it though, to see if he can find is feet at AFL level. 

Just think we could improve our team with a more damaging small hf. 

Was Taylor aware of Jefferson's father being 199 cm, and was that noted as a possible upside to his recruitment? 

On Adams, did we have multiple options open at this pick or where we just hopeful that he would fall through to us?

Sestan - having not come through traditional pathway, when and how did he decide to nominate for the draft?

Will we expect to see behind the curtin footage of MFC draft nights etc - i love these! 

Cheers!

He elevated to mascot status in my mind - think we shd crowd fund and get him back! 

Damn! Just seems a great fit for our on field needs. 

Experiened winger with good foot skill who covers the ground. Has some tricks and is creative with ball use. 

54 minutes ago, Lord Nev said:

Tim Lamb said Howes was close to debuting before getting injured.

Yeah, i heard that but i didnt buy it. 

Howes is a good prospect but looks like he needs a few pre-seasons before being ready.

Has my support!

Money ball. 

I wld certainly want him as a possible option coming into the season rather than not. Its not like there is a better  available option.

On 2022 form he won't get a game but definately wld on 2021 form.

We may end up with too many key fwd options, but BB and Tmac have question marks over their bodies, so throw another option in there. 

Its probably 2 KF positions being fought over between JVR, TMac, BBB and Bruce.

Then two rucks and Fritch. 

Makes sense if its a Tommo swap. 

I wonder if we thought we would use a Bedford type if the interchange bench moved to 5 rather than the sub. It would explain to me our comments about our expectations for him next year if he stayed.

If it is slightly true, it might be a rational for us to have offered Bedford the 3 yr deal. 

We cld push the Freo low ball onto the Pies Grundy deal.

Ie. ' we wont accept Freo deal and therefore look to sign Jackson up for another year or two, thereby forgoing the Grundy deal, unless Pies accept a late 2 rounder rather than 1st (incl cap support), to which we would accept the Freo deal. 

12 minutes ago, Kent said:

Some on here mustn't watch the games

Jordon is a momentum killer extraordinaire.  Not only does he wait, walk back and then ignore free players he has never played on and has never hand balled to a player running past WE need offensive pressure and he doesn't provide it

At the moment he is a poor winger half back with great skills but no attacking footy nous.

BTW i agree with D4life Spargo is free a lot and is criminally ignored

At least that is something we should be able to fix

I blame the game plan not Jordan. I observe players across the team doing the same thing, so it must be coaches instructions. I thought that was the central problem in our loss to the swans in the finals. 

There appear to be a lot of trades dependant on other dominos.

Freo's Jackson offer dependant on what they get for Lobb, Logue etc

Melb Gundy offer dependant on Jackson deal getting done.

Pies trades subject to Grundy.

Doubles our kick out options. Tough ask for opp to nulify both Gawn and Grundy targets. 

Ok, watched from the Olympic Stand which is a great view. 

We fundamentally lost this game in the coaches box \ game style. Which is on us because apparently as BB said 'we can win in multiple ways'

Two key points:

1.They played an extra at stoppage, we played a spare with the backs.

2. It was slippery. Had rained just before game and maybe bit of drizzle during.

Despite being outnumbered at the contest and wet, we handballed around the contest rather than putting it on tge boot to one on ones in the fwd half. So we coughed it up and denied our forwards chances. This was why so many fwds had poor games. We looked fumbly bc of the wet and the pressure combined. 

Secondly, on transition we refused to kick long and quick to space and one on ones. Rather we held up play to congest our fwd half. So we wanted to bottle it up at the expense of scoring. 

These are the 2 game style points that cost us. Not withstanding some 50's and missed opps that just went against us. 

Now these elements are somewhat normal to our game plan, but it was the wrong play for the opp setup and conditions last night. 

We defended ourselves out of the game. Opp sides can have no fear if we never threaten to hurt them on the scoreboard.

I dont think slippery conditions suit us, but comparatively it did the swans who are pressure based and who love the spilled contest and crumb with their agility and high skill. 

7 hours ago, The heart beats true said:

I thought tonight, and I’ve thought this all year - and for every year Goodwin has coached us, that our game plan is so reliant on winning contest, overwhelming possession and contested marking forward of the ball. All our losses I felt like teams were kicking them from everywhere, but when I watched the replays I realised that aside from Fritsch and an occasional glimpse from Koz, we simply don’t value forward line skill and craft enough across our list. The balance of our play is so reliant on Gawn, Oliver, Petracca, Lever and May that if two of those blokes are down we struggle.

I think our game plan in 2022 feels draining like it did circa 2017-18. It’s too reliant on incredible fitness and 110% contest work. We need to get some more polish and an extra dimension into our game style if we want to keep competing. Even in the last we kept kicking it long down the line to 2 ruckmen. It’s too easy to coach against once everyone got a good look at it.

I agree. Scaryly it sounds just like Neale's game plan. 

9 hours ago, Dr. Gonzo said:

They can get stuffed with all the academy free hits they get. Heeney, Mills, Blakey, Gulden who else? Stuff em.

Absolutley! 

Puts the competition in disrepute.

9 hours ago, Melb16 said:

Why can’t we run out games? It’s going to cost us a flag 

Yeah! I thought it was supposed to be the backbone of our game plan, at least it was last year. Grind teams away and out run them in the 4th.