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I thought he played better by moving up the ground on leads than staying at stagnant.

As one who says his point of view I understand where you come from, I know that's a shock to read, but the problem I have with this forum is the debate issue it seems if you write something that people deed as negative it's criticised for being anti club instead of debating the issue with those people and express why they are wrong and then both sides should have an open mind about it instead it ends up a us against them attitude, and yes I have been guilty of that but more debate less attack would be helpful for discussion.

Put it bluntly poor coaching in the last quarter, allowing everyone to be in the lions front half and no one to be further back down the ground was crazy, even allowing the lions back line to virtually walk the ball out every time.

Like an old married couple.

That was my first thought....

Show me where I said you were sensitive, you said that my friend.

The effort was there no doubt and the lions are not in great form either but take away the second quarter we only kicked 3 more goals for the game.

lmfao you keep believing that whatever gets you through the day, i can keep this up all day so keep going please

I can assure you I'm not sensitive but you are, you keep replying love it.

I agree with you in part the effort was there, and the 2nd quarter there was some really good ball movement and it showed that the only position Kossie should play is the forward line full stop, the down side was the poor coaching in the last quarter by all the coaches allowing free lion players across the backline.

I don’t think stating facts is being precious, but I suppose you live in a different reality.

The same to you, people should at least have some understanding of the rules before posting.

If you are upset over the word rubbish you need to get a life, or stop being precious.

Because that's the game plan.

Rubbish he didn't even try to hide it.

This was poor coaching in the last quarter by the coaches talk about just letting the lions remain loose so badly, a game we should have won.

This quarter has been poor coaching full stop.

And what position has he played all night?

Joe shouldn't be playing then.

You ain't wrong there.

Would be perfect as usual.

Now this is typical on how people react just jump in with big mouths without understanding what I am saying, try that first, it was about always coming out defending on any issue when things are not going well.

Oliver will get back to his best but the reality he has deficiencies in his game but some people won't or don't admit it. Let's look at positives he is one that has decent pace, one of the best to be able to stand up in a tackle and dish the ball out, great hands picking up the ball from the ground and quick hands to get the ball out and that's great but here is where he struggles to Impact the game at an even better level, his disposals by foot are not A grade he mainly gets the ball and bangs it on the foot without looking thus creating turnovers, his decision making at times when cornered is rushed, but we got away with it because of game style of contested possessions game and now it's more of a running game it is being shown out. Now people will comeback with how many possessions he gets and the reality of stats is how you want to read them if Oliver has thirty five possessions but 10 to 12 of them are ineffective how do rate that, if 6 of those results in the the opposition scoring goes how do you rate that and if his opponent has created scoring opportunities on those turnovers how do you rate that. I think if they put in the time with him working on his deficiencies he will reach a better standard of an elite midfielder.

Now duck you head.....

Fortunately or unfortunately I take what the club says by Goodwin or Max defending Oliver not in the same way as other people as the more you come out defending something the more there must be something else syndrome even though in reality there is nothing there. This club has a habit of coming out defending themselves whether it's players problems or club issues and it only keeps the fuse lit. Now I am in favour of making a statement on matters and then shut up about it people can believe what they want to believe and you won't change their mind anyway especially the media.