demon3165

On 29/05/2024 at 20:01, picket fence said:

COBURG? crikey played there a few times and faired well there once 5 goals, but shizzen the other times, preeek of a place!!

Who did you play for?

9 hours ago, Redleg said:

No, JT said he is a long term project and I am certain you will see him get at least next year to develop. He is a year behind Jeffo in the system, but he may not be that far behind him physically, as he looks a big lump of a kid. Will just need AFL conditioning and playing in our game plan.

I like the selection on type.

Just looking at him he is ahead body wise of Jefferson, it will be more fitness wise but in his favour he has played senior football, must admit I like his aggression. 

5 hours ago, Demonstone said:

As a social experiment, I decided today to wear an "I Love Collingwood" t-shirt for a week.

So far I've been spat on, verbally abused, punched and had a bottle thrown at me.

I'm curious as to what might happen when I leave the house.

An oldie but a good one.

1 minute ago, Demon Dynasty said:

It won't be this year and Simon is a very dour defensively minded coach so i can't see it happening.

Knuckles would need a pre-season training it anyways and the regular track watchers would start to become alert to this well before it happened at the selection table / game day me thinks.

Unless that happens there's no point wasting our breath on this topic any further imv.

Thought this was a fans forum where people can express a view my bad.

I just love the usual suspects who come and leave their usual face palms, vomit and slap face reply, do you all text each other on posts but keep it up I like a laugh...

14 minutes ago, whatwhat say what said:

remember when the rev tried to turn whelan into a midfielder? think it lasted about a quarter of the regular season of him running around not touching the ball and not laying a tackle before he was sent back

And we remember when when father Christmas was real then found out later he wasn't, must be hard being one dimensional.

Keep up the face palms, the vomit ones as well.

19 minutes ago, Demon Dynasty said:

I wouldn't risk debuting him in finals but the same scenario earlier in a season (say last time against the Blues) and assuming Bowey wasn't coming back from injury and in decent form and this player already had 8 to 10 AFL games under his belt.

Ie;  alot of 'IFs' !!  Given present Casey form you could trial Bowey & Moniz as the options here with some experimental minutes of McVee through the middle taking on 'SOME' of someone else's mid minutes like a Sparrow or Tracc or in place of say Salem's minutes that you might be considering playing through there instead of Sparrow etc.

I'm not saying this should happen with McVee and that's it's a lock or anything and we'd be mad to not change him from his ptesent role either.

He might be best suited to staying where he is after trialling him for a while in some 'select' games and scenarios half a dozen times to see how he goes.

But as 3165 has already pointed out, no harm in trying and no harm in a player's capabilities being explored and potentially expanded.  Especially important on game day IF things go awry for whatever reason and you simply have very few other options (rare but can happen).

Well said....

On 28/05/2024 at 18:04, Demonland said:

 

Didn't think it needed to be said actually just a given...

Just now, Bring-Back-Powell said:

Say we play Carlton week 1 of the finals.

Owies is in one pocket. Motlop in the other.

Who are our two small lock down defenders to take the above 2 players if McVee is in the midfield (or out injured)?

If there is no clear answer, then it's probably best that McVee doesn't get moved out of defence, for at least this year

With our backline no problem the issue is the quality of ball that comes in pretty simple.

1 hour ago, Bring-Back-Powell said:

A hard no from me, this year anyway.

Given blokes such as a severely out of form Charlie Cameron and Matt Owies of all people have gone to town on us, I don’t think it would be wise to release our number 1 lock down defender up the field.

Each unit is as important as the other so I don’t see the point in robbing Peter to pay Paul.

Then our development of players is poor then, so if he was injured what your saying we are in trouble don't think so...

26 minutes ago, layzie said:

While I think he needs to stay back for now, I don't think it's out of the question seeing him push into the middle in future. Would be nice to see that delivery coming into the 50. 

Not saying that McVee is the answer but until you try you never know and I think for a quarter here and there is a start, if it's not his position he stays back but people like to pigeon hole players and people should look outside the box.

9 hours ago, rpfc said:

And you think McVee is that??

Give me a break. 

Pickett is the skill set we need in there; excellent skills and speed. 

And our ‘midfield’ isn’t the problem right now - it is the team driving a predictable transition off half back. McVee can impact that where he is right now. No need to love him.

Do you ever watch a game without red and blue eye patches on and never see a fault, first off Kossie does not have the tank to play midfield for long periods so let's ask this why doesn’t Goodwin play him primarily in the midfield? Second his skills around the forward line are great but his kicking skills when under pressure are not around the ground.

Our backline is OK it only comes under pressure when the midfield is not working and that's where it all starts you do realise that don't you the forward line can only work when the ball gets there and the backline needs the midfield to work to get the ball forward that's why the midfield is called the engine room of the team.

16 minutes ago, Demon Dynasty said:

I don't mind it at all provided we're looking to build mid field at the trade table at year's end

A big bodied forward who seems quite agile.  Might be a nice point of difference in our mix.

Maybe get a gun ex forward down on contract to show him, Roo and Jeffo some of the finer points of forward craft in this second half of the season.  Might help fast track them a little.  Couldn't hurt surely?

Would have loved for Nick Riewoldt or Jonathan Brown down there for some lessons on forward craft.

Hard no for me and the reasons are he can kick for goal, fritta won't allow that, he can play on straight away and pass a ball at eye level and can mark so that's to many problems for us to get that out of him.....

Oh it's sarcasm folks so settle down.

4 minutes ago, DeeSpencer said:

A little disappointed that we overlooked the chance for immediate help for a project tall who hasn’t really done anything to suggest he’d be an in demand pick in the top 45 of the national draft.

But obviously we need more tall forward help and in JT we trust. 

Skills look nice and seems to understand using his body, height/athleticism (if destined to play back up ruck as well as forward) and output are probably the question marks.

Had enough of project players.

51 minutes ago, rpfc said:

The backline needs all the help it can get to transition positively. Taking out the soul of that change is not the decision I would advise.

We’re fine through the middle anyway.

Yeah a one paced midfield with a lack of outside run and carry, name our midfielder who can pass like Bont, Reid etc and under pressure?

22 minutes ago, Fat Tony said:

I don't know if McVee is strong enough to play as a centre square mid yet but I think we can benefit by feeding him more handball receives.

I would also like to see us occasionally push McVee or Bowey up to the general stoppages and play with no loose defender (Salem or Lever) because they both have has great speed and are very good kicks.

Gee I don’t recall the Daicos boys being that strong in the contest...

19 minutes ago, whatwhat say what said:

and who plays as our #1 small defender who both locks down on the best oppo small forward AND provides rebound run; you know, how we generate our most scoring opportunities?

We are missing run and kicking skills in the midfield.

Least i'm not the only few.......

The young Demon that should be injected into the midfield mix

10 minutes ago, Deemania since 56 said:

It would probably fall to a thorough coaching team that had a truly focussed intent for the players so involved, who learnt lessons, reviewed matches and performances, provided real adjustments to what had gone before and who would follow through over time to see it achieved. It would not be a singular affair, at all.

Stafford is the forward coach a ruckman, young players need coaching on forward craft as it is the hardest position to play we have had problems since 21 even Goodwin has admitted that.

3 hours ago, Deemania since 56 said:

He does need a new curve on the learning scale, though. This will assist other forwards to appreciate and 'learn' improved ways and consistencies with protection, support and opportunities to goal fortuitously. Our forwards, for too long, have abandoned one another - seemingly reliant on individual chances (low percentage returns) rather than negating close-checking opposition backs, putting their bodies in there to block defenders, creating sudden space links for handball and blindly running amok in the pursuit of impossible 'kick-it-to-me' abstractions. This is a team game - each cog gets its engagement from those around.

'Carna Dees.

 

And who's job is that to implement?

2 hours ago, Oxdee said:

We kicked 4-7 in the first. Our best qtr of football for the year. What exactly about this was boring. Maybe football isn’t for you 

Against a side that was woeful for most of the game, we won the 4 points a percentage boost and that was what was needed.

5 hours ago, DEE fence said:

Not sure if your as old as me but Madden had way more space that Gawn had. Watch 4:15 through to 6:00. While Madden had to deal with much rougher play, Gawn got huge defensive pressure with blocks and holds, no coach is ignorant of what Max can do. While Gawn/Grundy didn't have the immediate result we wanted, I seem to remember Gawn kicking 5 in a prelim.

 

 

Madden was a top class ruckman, but will add the ruck rules were a lot different then so bit hard to compare,  Max has lost his leap in ruck contest and prefers to grapple which annoys me to no end should be banned.

Remember Grundy was bought in to let Max rest in the forward line but that never worked out as his impact dropped.

2 minutes ago, Mel Bourne said:

No, we’re fourth on the ladder because we have a gun team astrologist. 

Well at least we have one of those then...

31 minutes ago, DEE fence said:

Is no disrespect to those awesome Demons to acknowledge Max as GOAT. Madden was very very good, but also played one out, We would win by cricket scores if Max played one on one in the forward line.

Ammm you do remember Gawn/Grundy