Red Legs

We forgive Neitz because he's a club champion. We bag Mclean because he chose to go to carlton, he seems to be representative of the new carlton. All arrrogance but no substance. Good riddance! I love his first 3 quarters, carlton have no forward set up whatsoever and are in big strife. This is great to watch, just great.

It's worse than that. We had the chance to rookie list him last year.

Thanks for the words, now for the deeds.

I still find it a little odd that you can say things that are deemed acceptable on one thread but are deleted from another because a player is retiring.

Firstly, thank you to our three retiring players for their time as servants of this great club. I'll especially miss the toughness of Wheels. With regard to the deletion of posts and criticism of retiring players. It seems a little precious to me that posters can't criticise a retiring footballer without having their post deleted. (I'm not talking about those who choose to be distasteful in their criticism- these posts should always be deleted) Many of you singing the praises of these guys have in the past called for their delisting or offered stern criticism. We are not a funeral, just 3 rounds short of seeing 3 well paid sportsmen retire. They all had their strengths and weaknesses and talking about them is surely what this forum is about. I know we can say that theirs a time and place for everything but this will likely be the last time we talk in depth about these three so surely we can talk about their weaknesses as well. I'll leave you with the remarks below made by posters who have not seen their posts deleted. “I've always enjoyed his long booming kicks, but unfortunately his kicking efficiency isn't anywhere near as good as some would have u believe, and too often last year his disposals consisted of mainly "short and wide" kicks. He seems to be constantly injured or in the rehab group during preseasons, he's not the strongest one-on-one player or even a particularly good overhead mark given his height” “Wheatley has played 2, maybe 3 ok seasons. He has never been anything more than serviceable. The only reason they kept him on through his lean patches was because he has a booming 60 metre kick. He's no leader, no presence on match day, no presence in the media... IMO, if we are to move forward, Wheatley is in the gun to be shown the door. If he were to be a part of our rise up the ladder it wouldn't be because he's a leader in the way Green is. It'd be because he's a mature-bodied player and because we have no accurate kicks. Is that cause enough to keep him, and lose, say, Whelan or Robbo instead as part of our 5-6 names we'll be losing? I'd rather a 29 year old Whelan (as rough as he's been this year) or a 30 year old Robbo than Wheatley.” “Too late for that. He wont change. He can wax all he likes in the media and on the Footy Show but he just does not understand or get the playing for the best interests of the team thing with AFL. This could be his final year.” “No. Goal or not it just a show pony act that puts the team effort at the very risk that actually happened especially when we were battling to get back in the game. Any responsible coach would have dragged him anyway regardless. The biggest issue is that Robbo wont learn now. He has not learned in the past. Its too late now for him. Its a very bad example of what he does too often." Anyway just thought I'd add this to the discussion. I'm just very anti censorship and hope the moderators use it sparingly and without prejudice.

Wow, there's alot of threads and posts on this issue. There is no way on god's green earth that this club will win more than 4 games. Jim Stynes would sack the lot of them. This is Melbourne's one and possibly last chance with this list to secure not one but two top notch players, one of them possibly already touching on elite(in it's early forms) We would take the club to court for gross negligence if it did win a fifth game. I would stake my new valve amplifier on this, and geez it was expensive and has the smoothest sound you could imagine

The back of house stuff seems to be coming under control, which is great. Now we have to to keep developing the list and the players on it. As it turns out Jimmy's sickness has given the boys a reason to play which is what you would expect from them. The only thing to do know is to keep playing the game. If we win and end up with picks 3/4 and 18/19 so be it. They'll be talented players who if developed well will join our list and help our club back to the top. Carlton are the most obvious tankers and they don't have what it takes and they have been shite for 7 years. Draft picks are not the answer, development and sound player management is. The Football Gods are beginning to shine on our mighty club.

If this is true and DeeGirl seems to always be on the money then I think Bailey's got it spot on. Robertson's finished so why play him. As for Bell, well he's got a couple of weeks to resurrect a stalled career, I wish him all the best. When Bell plays well he adds to the team, his hardness and tackling are going to be needed against the Saints. Jamar was always going to be in when fit, it keeps Martin away from the ruck which is good for everyone. Good team selection. In the next few weeks bring in Watts and Strauss and we're away!!

Out: Dunn, Moloney(if injured as suggested) In: Rivers, Bennell