Adam The God

The Pies have lost out on May by the sounds of it.

Posturing. They're hardly going to say we'll do a fair deal. He is their captain. But at the end of the day, they'll take a first rounder. Whatever we can give them.

I'd have Tyson on par with Jones and that's probably being a little kind to Jones. If Jones wasn't captain and a loyal servant of the club he'd be a fringe player next year. As it is, I think the club has some tricky moves to make in regards to him. We certainly can't play Lewis, Jones and Tyson in the one team outside of the centre square. They're all simply too slow. But all are contracted for next year. But at least Tyson has age on his side. Despite the numbers going off the list this off season, I suspect we'd still do a deal on Tyson if we could get one.

I'm somewhere between you and Dazzle. I accept that it takes all types and Jesse is the polar opposite of a Petracca. He's an introvert, rather than extrovert, but I also align with the 'feeling' that many seem to be expressing here. Yeah, it may seem like the easy thing to say now that he's going, but it is something many of us have either felt before or expressed on Demonland in one form or another over the journey. I don't wish Jesse any ill will, but I don't want any other team compromising my club's potential success. Where that sits, I don't know, but as long as we improve our list, it's potentially a win-win for all involved.

50,000-55,000 should be the goal next year. If we can win the flag in 2019 or 2020ish, we should be aiming for at least 10,000 more on the previous year and a few more three game memberships and we'd be a shot at 70,000 IMO.

Time to change all that superstitious rubbish; curses, numbers etc. Hopefully. ?

Wouldn't have thought I was bragging. But we certainly have more supporters and we apparently clearly could afford to bottom out... however many times we have. When I was growing up, Carey and his Roos were dominating the competition and either winning flags or going very close. They were the Friday Night Specialists. Yet, they never managed to convert this into memberships or supporter base. If we'd been in the same position during the 1990s and won flags, we'd be in a very different position membership-wise than we are now. In fact, if we win a flag in the next 2-3 years, I strongly believe we can reach 70,000 members. North could only dream of this.

They do this because even when they're in the finals they've got bugger-all support. They can't afford to bottom out and they know it. Ironically, it means they'll struggle to have the ultimate success as a result.

To be fair, Tom is still a very ordinary defender. The only reason he turned a corner was we threw him forward. I think OMac has a higher ceiling than Tom in a defensive post simply because he's a better kick and decision maker. However, his strength and smartness are still issues. We'll see how he plays with another pre season. One thing's for sure though, if May comes, Frost and Oscar will be fighting for the one spot.

I agree, but I don't think it helps when your midfield goes missing (ie last week).

I was a left footer too. My old man always said my height would be handy. Haha. It was in the under 12s.

@Ugottobekidding is clearly a troll. People get sucked in very easily.

I think you'll find Lewis and Jones will be competing for the same spot next season. Interesting that Salem, May and Hibberd are all left footers. We've really gone hard for those left footers in recent year. They're coming out of our ears these days.

They are just words, but they do have relevance to the conversation, otherwise we'd use different words. He's a good player and would make us better. And I'd agree he'd be ahead of Lever as best one-on-one defender, but I'd argue Lever is the better player for his role. But, it's about them complimenting each other and improving our list. May is certainly a better player than OMac or Frost, so we've got a significant upgrade there. Sounds like he's coming, which is great news. FWIW, I'd play May deeper and get OMac at CHF, but agree with the rest.

That's not what I said at all. But you intimated May was elite and I disagree. That's all.

Their mids stood up too. That cannot be underplayed.

Is May an elite defender though? Happy to have him, but he's certainly (for me) not in the same class as McGovern.

Agreed they could work together, but it's worth noting the very different game style West Coast plays. They're a kicking team that set up beautifully to defend. That said, Collingwood play a similar brand of pressure footy that we do and rely on their mids to get the job done and their small forwards (and Cox) when they get it inside.

That's the guy I'd be going for. I'd take Shiel of course, but not for a mill. Whereas, Kelly might be worth that.

Well, this post could have been worse...

Agreed. I've been advocating for a while that AVB and Kent weren't good enough, so it doesn't bother me. Just that the unity within the best 14-16 players is still strong.

This is more likely.

I know he was injured. Might point was across 2018 at all. I only heard there was frustration earlier in the year. But obviously I'm speculating, with very little to go on.

Unless he wanted midfield minutes...

Read the thread, HH. It's all been covered.