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6 hours ago, Sorry kids said:

Different times, different systems but I think we need and would love to see a recruiting coup like the one in the late eighties that gave us Earl Spalding, Warren Dean and Todd Viney to add to an already  fairly strong list. History probably says we needed one or two more stars to cap it off but they were exciting times.

85 into 1986 sore a big shift in attitude...  within the club. 

A turning of the tide,  with Jordan's youngsters starting to rise/mature,  in the Melbourne team.   Adding the mature recruits to them,  saw a good result,  but the recruiting dropped away somewhat, at the grass-root levels.

5 hours ago, Maxwell Edison MD said:

Gawn?

Nup...  he's talking about running players, who carry the ball,  and use it.

16 hours ago, Matsuo Basho said:

Good call Dame Gaga. I have been guilty of using ‘dog’ incorrectly, too. The most wonderful, loving and as you say loyal of creatures. To borrow a Bill Murray quote: “I won’t trust a person who doesn’t like dogs. But I’ll always trust a dog when it doesn’t like a person.”

What about the saying  'Hard as a Cats head'...  how many here use that term. 

That is a term used to deliberately denigrate a warm blooded mammal,  and is encouraging the cruelty to Cats,  and that its,  an OK sport.

I had to stop a young friend years back,  from deliberately running down a cat...  he steered off line to try to get it.   So I grabbed the wheel in a vice like grip...   he had to stop the car,  and could not move-on,  until the issue was settled.

This was somebody's beloved pet...  maybe an older lonely Australian,  or maybe a child.?

So lets not be biased here.

16 hours ago, Dame Gaga said:

I agree with everyone's poor opinion of Stratton on here. My only request is please don't call him a dog or call it a dog's act. Dogs are gentle , loyal creatures who do not deserve to be put in the same category as some humans. Thank you.

Tell that to a ravaged Koala. DG.  Or a Sheep or Calf with its innards hanging out... In they're normal state,  Dogs are vicious.animals.

Many people and children have been ripped open by them.

This is what that saying,  represents.

5 hours ago, Lord Nev said:

Have a look at the ones who are telling you they're picking on the 'harmless loud fool' though, it's generally the 'harmless loud fool' themselves.

'Bald headed [censored]' guy was hanging over the race screaming it (and by fans reports, various other things) directly at Nicholls as he was walking out. It wasn't a 'harmless loud' comment during the game after a decision he disagreed with when the umpire was hundreds of metres away on the ground, it was directly at him from close proximity and not during game time.

The Carlton bloke who has played the victim has a bunch of social media posts from before his 15 minutes of fame where he is absolutely abusing people with foul language in a way that would threaten most families at a game. You honestly believe he was just innocently barracking when kicked out?

Find it strange that for such a (generally) sceptical site, so many are getting sucked in by the media outrage agenda so easily.

 

Getting too in your face,  isn't OK.   That IS being abusive.

But yelling some abuse at the field from 40 Mtrs away,  isn't so personal... so not as intently hurtful.

People have to stop being so aggressive,  up in the persons space.

I think this is the difference, to respect with some reason, and being totally disrespectful,  at a humanity level.

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44 minutes ago, Dr.D said:

lovely in hindsight mate. Charlie curnow had an underwhelming junior year with added question marks over his character as well as size to play key position. 

very easy to sit there later and decide that we shouldve taken curnow. 

 

We have to stop falling for the old   "pea and thimble"  con.

Not  Re Curnow,  but generally we miss the harder edged players,  who play tight on the edge.  These character types,  are quite often the match-winners in our physical game of footy.

35 minutes ago, Lord Nev said:

I'm not talking about tanking, the ultimate goal of winning games remains otherwise you destroy any culture we've built,

but playing fit players takes precedence over rushing in underdone or sore players, despite talent. Get TMac, Viney, Gus or anyone else that appears to be playing under duress off to the surgeon or into the 'off legs' program rather than riding them into the ground and impacting their preseason.

Build up more of a portfolio of game plans and get the onfield leaders versed in reading the state of the game and implementing them. We seem to only have the 1 strategy, despite the momentum of the game. If we can get a focus on that, spend time in game working on it, it will hold us in good stead for the future I believe.

 

This is it exactly LoNe.

1 hour ago, jumbo returns said:

Did that fantasy ladder thingo and had us just in the 8 by R21

Dont ask me what I chose, I got bored very quickly

So, posters, thoughts?

I reckon we're a chance

Definitely not.  Mr Ewing.

It would be a slow tracking of our list growth,  and slow our future progress.   We are back in the rushing pack,  atmo...  and we lack the speed and the skilled players.

And still we lack,  that A-lite player. or two.

Oli and Brayshaw have plateaued,  and do not deliver the ball well enough  for our forwards to be real weapons.

We need A-graders in the run and carry areas.  Our flanks are our biggest weakness's,  hb, centrline, and hf's...  and the pockets... ie:  running players...  & not just running players,  but a couple of the best around.

We need to top-up with a couple of top guns...  top 15 type running players.

19 hours ago, Matsuo Basho said:

We should get the best available in whatever position becomes available. If that's Brad Green great but being an ex-Melbourne player should be well down list of criteria. 

 

 

Preferrably not from in-house.   We should be resisting falling back into the in-house trap all the time,  because its a kind thing to do... this is one of our failings, that being kind equals winning.  In footy,  it does not.

So look outside the club for skills coaches.

1 minute ago, Whispering_Jack said:

Josh has 15 disposals tonight v Carlton and it’s only quarter time.

#unitethefamily

#reunitethefamily@Mfc

Nah we don't want pick1.. but won't argue with 2nd, 3rd, or 4th pick.

... and wouldn't argue,  If say, we traded a Pick 2...  for a couple of 1st Rnd picks.

34 minutes ago, Kelpien said:

 

 

Those questions might be better suited to the team that we trade an injury prone "star" for that pick. 

Viney, Petracca, AVB........   hmmn.???

2 hours ago, Wadda We Sing said:

Can he kick goals from 35m?

can he kick and run, full stop.!

1 hour ago, Little Goffy said:

Setting everything else aside for a moment, is it just me or would Adam Goodes be the precisely perfect player to add to our 22 right now?

Plenty of goals, a huge load of goal-assists, really effective at getting the ball to dangerous places and doing it quickly and decisively, good at offering leads backed by top workrate. And as a bonus he contributed most of that right from the start of his career (hence the 372 games).

The closet to him, of what we had last year,  was imo, TMc.

We've missed TMc playing as a tall mid/hff.

Adam Goodes and wife Natalie Croker welcome daughter Adelaide

https://www.smh.com.au/sport/afl/adam-goodes-and-wife-natalie-croker-welcome-daughter-adelaide-20190614-p51xs9.html

Congratulatins to Goodse'y and wife Natalie,  on the birth of their first born...  Adelaide Goodes.

Ms Croker gave birth on Wednesday and are incredibly happy,  Goodes' management said,  with mother and daughter both healthy and doing well.

Former Sydney Swans AFL footballer Adam Goodes and wife Natalie Croker are new parents.Credit:AAP

The couple announced their pregnancy in February and have been married since 2016.

https://www.smh.com.au/sport/afl/adam-goodes-and-wife-natalie-croker-welcome-daughter-adelaide-20190614-p51xs9.html

5 hours ago, Dame Gaga said:

How close we came to losing the continent to the mining industry and short term gains with no thought for the future. Hawke spoke of global warming and the consequences for our children and grandchildren 30 years ago. I wasn't even aware of this great legacy he left behind. 

Yes,  I recall vaguely...   and we are back into the same situation now,  with  'China'  trying to make inroads into Antarctica now...  and IIRC,  they have squatted,  on some of our territory down there.???

Maybe we should send Greg Hunt,  and Abbott as an Envoy,  down there to smoke out those rascally Chinee,  and send them off with some buckshot on their tails.  That would learn 'Em.

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4 hours ago, Dame Gaga said:

I watched some of Bob Hawke's State Memorial Service today and what astounded me was his granddaughter's speech about how a treaty was about to be signed for Antarctica to be exploited for its resources in 1989, but her grandfather refused to ratify the agreement and instead set about convincing the rest of the world Antarctica should be a natural reserve, devoted to peace, co-operation and science. How close we came to losing the continent to the mining industry and short term gains with no thought for the future. Hawke spoke of global warming and the consequences for our children and grandchildren 30 years ago. I wasn't even aware of this great legacy he left behind. 

When Hawke spoke he appealed to us as fellow human beings. Now we seem to have leaders and politicians who speak to us as though we are merely consumers who should be grateful for what we manage to attain for our families and not ask for anything else. 

I think this is why the AFL is on the nose at the moment with the fans. They are treating them like consumers who should just pay the money without question and do as they are told. They are forgetting the passion many fans have for their teams. For some their team is deeply ingrained in their life, just as going to church on Sunday is for others. Just as players are not robots, neither are fans. Stop the preaching.

Everything back then was based more from a humanity angle...  politics had a stronger edge of human heart-felt  decisions...  instead of about getting one up on something,  Gain...  Rock Music was about issues,  about Mandela,  or raising money and awareness of the down trodden...  the Beatles did,  Pink Floyd did,  U2 did,  Bob Geldof,  even Elton did.

There was an honor in our leaders mostly.  One didn't have to look too far,  to find an honorable leader,  who stood for the right things,  for justice,  for fairness,  for the underprivileged,  and for endangered animals,  and Environments in decline.....

For the Longer term,  and not just the one day after this day.

People were moved by such higher moral callings,  because they were not so selfish,  as today's mentality.

 I think the difference is/was we all played in the dirt as children, the majority did, and we had a lower more earthy connection to the natural world and so to one another as we had less as youngsters.  So to be given something was,  more special...  than, imo, today's.

I think when things are gotten thru life,  too easily,  then they lose value in the persons perspective,  and it becomes less important,  to the players of the day.

Same in footy.   the players like watts... maybe Tracca... and the leaders don't work and struggle their way up the AFL chain,  to the top...  they are head hunted from within a select private schooled 'bunch'............ again gotten too easily.

The spoilt make poor leaders... and poor team players as well.                 

These are truly,  'the entitled'.

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10 hours ago, Rusty Nails said:

If you are going to sit/lean back on your last step as you kick for goal, resulting in little forward momentum with most kicks,

Leaning back during the kicking stride,  causes the leg to swing across the body to target line. 

If this is a habit,  the player often adjusts the line of run-up, to that like a rugby league kicker, kicking for goal...  approaching the ball from an offset angle. 

This can also help get some extra distance.

Leaning back is the worst thing to do,  upsetting ball drop...  and the action of the leg through the target line. 

Petracca's action is a mess.    And will never get better,  as long as he leans back on the kick.

He has to go to school on his licking...  and at the same time,  learn to kick with his non preferred foot, on the run. 

Maybe do this first,  as this might Aid his goal kicking ability on his natural side.

58 minutes ago, Dame Gaga said:

"We know that no one ever seizes power with the intention of relinquishing it."  - George Orwell, 1984. 

That press release from the AFL sure sounded like a preach from the pulpit. Sounds like power has gone to their collective heads, telling us what we can and can't do at the football, like we are errant children.

All the leaders of the world are telling the people what they can and cannot do...  and that  'entitlements'  are finished.   But they forgot to tell they're own BIG Business sectors,  the same story lines.

All they want to do,  is cut cut cut,  and leave the masses with nothing to spend. 

Guess what happens when no-ones spending.?     No one is selling either.

Unless they happen to export...  Iron,  Copper,  Aluminium,  Gas...   Minerals and Primary produce.

Yes,  we have No,  bananas Joe.

2 hours ago, Forest Demon said:

Baker really struggled with the pressure on Monday (who didn’t to be fair). But he definitely looks a player and that would have been an invaluable lesson.

Lockhart is one who I think should play the rest of the year. He was playing good footy when in the ones, and was very good in the VFL on Sunday. I am a fan.

I'd be a fan of sending Fritta back to Casey,  to loosen-u... and enjoy his game again...  to free him up,  in mind somewhat.

He looks burdened,  and a bit stale,  tired.

This would help us to get more games into Lockhart,  and others,  on rotational clusters of games.  Just for the kids who need more exposure to the big league...  to help them adjust.

IMO,  our biggest weakness is the depth of maturity...   So many young players,  who haven't yet bridged the devide, between VFL and AFL.  they need games of exposure to get there.

Rest our walking wounded,  and expose some lazy others, to the hard work they avoid.  Make them put up.  Via they're own responsibilities...  without injured stars to hide behind.

Pull Viney and TMc out... Hannan because of his chronic knees,... so save his knees with less workload.

Put Petracca into the centre.  run him hard. resting on the bench.

Play Preuss, and run him hard as well.    and send Preuss over to the States again,  end of September...  and again, December/January... fast track him.

Get Fritta, Hunt, ANB, Keilty, Stretch, Spargo, Sparrow, Bedford, Chandler, Jordan, Dunkley, & Nietschke,  into the Gym full time,  from late August.  Into the weights,  and Boxing. 

2 hours ago, Adzman said:

Lockhart needs a few weeks in the AFL team to see if he can build on his game at the top level. I'm not huge on gifting games but he is a player I would like tested out more at the top level. He has a look of someone who takes the game on and change the momentum of a game.

Hore is a find. Essentially a ready made replacement for any of our back six who are no longer up to it. Pick 56 well spent, should be a 150 game player for us.

Sparrow looked promising from what I had seen before he hurt his knee. He is 2 months away from playing footy again so we will need to wait until next year to see what we have with Sparrow.

Baker has a look of a player who could be damaging. Bit of Issac Smith about him. He is the player we desperately need and could take another stride or two before the season ends.

Keilty is a guy I can't figure out. His good vfl games are eye catching, but when he is bad he is bad. The next 10-12 weeks are vital for him. He will get his opportunity to play if his form is there. If he doesn't force his way back into the side it could be curtains for him at the Dees.

No way I would let Keilty go...   he's a keeper for mine, for at least another two seasons,  to help him deevelop. 

I think he has a natural mind for the AFL.   Maybe just needs a bit more time, for  'growth'...  & believe he belongs at the level.  he's young, well, just turned 24Yrs. so a depth thing.

...  so with this,  I would look to keep Keilty for 2 rookie seasons... and tSmith for one further season. maybe put Keilty on the senior list for 1Yr...  and relist tSmith as rookie.

However we can do it,  to maintain the depth.   Unless there are other mature tall-forwards out there, ready to go,  and ready for recruiting.

3 hours ago, dieter said:

Me, I was the champion at throwing pieces of chalk into a chalk box at school during free periods - from 20 paces. Nobody came near me. I still throw objects into our recycle bin from 20 paces and yell out, GOAL every time. No, I don't wanna become the Demon Chalkboard accuracy coach, my knees are gone, both of them, Osteoarthritis, Double PKneemonia. I did kick a goal from the boundary line after Laurie Sandiland infringed while contesting a boundary throw in. A perfect Torp. Straight through the high diddle diddle. Trouble was I wasn't trying to kick a goal. 

2 hours ago, Sorry kids said:

Chalk that one up to you dieter.

Faaaantastic,  unconscious,  eye-hand co-ordination... pure subconscious reflex,  at her focus spot.

... see how she stutters in her throw, the last twitch change of direction,  at the camera itself.

1 hour ago, picket fence said:

AAANNND IT STILL AINT THAT HARD TO KICK GOALS

Only at MFC!!

... focus on your target behind the goals...  and ForGet about those bloody big sticks....   focus,  kick,  and follow thru inline with your target.

... thats all.

That would help 85% of it.

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1 hour ago, leave it to deever said:

His form dropped off at a crucial time 2 years ago and he hasnt played that well since.

I hope he leaves this year. Played a part but his best seems well behind.

 

Yep,  call time.  I wouldn't trust him in a GF.

1 hour ago, Dame Gaga said:

No, no, no. You are not allowed to think! Thinking only gets you into trouble.

That's what priests are for.   To think on behalf of the flock,  and to give advice...  so people don't think on they're own,  and all start pulling in differing directions.  God forbid...

No serious talk to one-another,  or mayhem may breakout.  anger,   outrage,  even some fornication.  Keep unto yourself,  and confess at least once a week. 

Then only the priest him-self knows all the happenings,  or thoughts of...  in-silence. 

What a recipe for destruction,  non-learning,  and a mono-culture.....  just ask your alter-boy next door.

It seems our Multi-National directors all sing from that Hymn book...  and take a gold watch...  million$--dollar$  payout at retirement time, (hush money)

... they say,  $ilence i$ Golden.

They all seem to shake,  on that score.

I believe the AFL also have a similar in-house,  secret handshake

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7 hours ago, Lord Nev said:

When did abusing people become synonymous with enjoying a day at the footy?

 

When  'competition'  started to get serious,  about-itself,  'LN'.

1 hour ago, Biffen said:

I’ve tried to explain to you all that the western world is/ has been manipulated by thought policing morons who are indoctrinated by a neo Marxist platform that has been running since The ‘70’s, no I’m not joking.

They will attempt to control your morality, speech and personal beliefs.

You must resist at every opportunity and tell these maggit to eat [censored] wherever you see them, be it AFL, schools, media or the workplace.

I expect this comment may even be deleted as some people find individual expression too confronting.

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