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Insane price to pay for Bolton. An amazing outcome for Richmond, regarding the totality of their trade period.

Tim Lamb on Derksen: "that's looking very unlikely ... we'd like to bring Wade to the club, but the way things are tracking it's looking [a bit too difficult]".

It would require a bit of work at this stage to complete IMO, given our current draft hand and that we've offered Pick 49 to the Lions. We also have the consideration of needing points for the potential acquisition of Kalani White next year, should he nominate us, so I'm not too sure how we'd wrangle a mid-late future next year for Derksen (especially given the changes to the draft index). I'm not definitively stating it can't be done, but it's precariously placed should GWS relent.

Probably one of the least surprising selections by the current footy department post 2021 IMO.

Disagree with the cap, autonomy should remain with the clubs.

As many other posters have said, I can't see anyway this now gets done. Whilst I completely understand that a club has a prerogative to keep a contracted player, I think GWS' decision here is pretty ordinary. Given the potential ins to the club, i.e. Stringer, and the glut of contracted forwards on their list who are being played or seemingly in-front of Derksen, holding him to the final year of his contract is frustrating. I'll be keeping a watch on him next year and I think it will be an interesting scenario if we look to re-attempt the trade next year, noting we've traded our future third, or if it now becomes a one-and-done type of scenario. A disappointing outcome for both parties IMO.

Apologies mate, I’m travelling at the moment and have fleeting access at best. Really appreciate the thoughtful response, well composed and some good points. The Fair Work Ombudsman decision related to a decision made in 2015 which determined that employees of AFL Media, were in fact independent journalists and able to collectively engage in negotiations over their pay and conditions under a new collective bargaining agreement. The AFL Media disputed this, instead suggesting that they were communications personnel employed by the AFL. Essentially, the AFL claimed they were sports administration professionals, whereas the employees and Media, Entertainment and Arts Association claimed they were journalists. The decision essentially visited the position of the MEAA and journalists and held that the journalists were independent journalists and news professionals tasked with producing, collating and disseminating products including the AFL website, the AFL Record (prior to Croc Media acquiring this product), and associated video content on YouTube (amongst many other publications). On point two, Pert would essentially have to prove that his dismissal was harsh, unjust or unfair. Central to this, would be the examination of the board’s conduct and it would need to be determined if the dismissal related to Pert’s conduct or performance, amongst other factors. Unfortunately, as a hypothetical, it’s just too difficult in my view to conclusively discuss. Regarding point three, once again the issue would be determining if defamation has occurred. Patterns can be aggravating, however, I truly do not see anything that Barrett has said as being defamatory; although the protections would still likely apply (though I note each individual claim would be examined on its own merit, but regardless would be held to tendency and patterns). Apologies for taking this thread sideways, once again!

Very happy with this and a better outcome than what I was expecting regarding the pick swapping this year. Get some elite talent in the midfield and we can look to set up again for the next decade, particularly if we lose one, or both, of Oliver and Petracca next year.

Yet they’re happy to throw out terms like ‘bullying’ and ‘harass’ when you have some sort of opposing discourse.

That’s the farcical thing. The very posters that will uncritically claim that all ‘anti’ (sic) MFC reporting is ‘BS’, are the very ones that will never be critical of ‘complementary’ reporting. You cannot credibly claim media is ‘BS’ when it doesn’t suit agenda. Still, those certain individuals will continue to act in this way. It’s nauseating.

AFL Media as a legal person, differs from the Australian Football League. They’re not one and the same and certainly not interchangeable. Journalists employed under the AFL Media, are deemed to be independent, which has previously been held to be true by the Federal Fair Work Ombudsman. Assuming Pert were to step away, at best he may have a claim for constructive dismissal, but even then, a court would need to determine the nexus between the AFL Media, and the Melbourne Football Club, which would be unlikely in the context of employment law. However, there are numerous protections in place which allow for a journalist to make fair comment under the Defamation Act, and multiple High Court rulings suggest that an ordinary reasonable would be able to deduce the difference between an opinion, such as Barrett’s, and a statement of fact. “A “discussion or comment” is to be distinguished from “the statement of a fact”. “It is not the mere form of words used that determines whether it is comment or not; a most explicit allegation of fact may be treated as comment if it would be understood by the readers or hearers, not as an independent imputation, but as an inference from other facts stated.”

Assuming you’re referring to Green’s post, nothing gives anything contextually to suggest it’s a tongue in cheek response to Lloyd.

We didn’t do that last year? What’s the point in doing it if you’re never going to follow through with it?

Nah, this is all media BS. Tom Morris is constantly notoriously way off.

Once again, I don’t overly disagree with this. Of course there’s a balance, but it also has to consider what a willing club would pay towards his contract (either in full, or as a percentage), as well as just how desperate are the MFC to get Oliver out. It’s unfortunately not a clear cut scenario, with a multitude of issues and concerns at play.

I don’t disagree mate, but people holding onto the idea that the current Oliver is worth what he was 12 months ago on the market is farcical.

1) That’s irrelevant to the point made by both myself and the OP that was quoted. 2) I’m surprised you didn’t find a way to also throw Maynard in there. But don’t worry mate, victim status and the shortcomings of the MFC will always be welcomed by the majority of those on Demonland. You’ll get your likes.

We had a Ferrari; it’s since been treated like a lawnmower.

Pert told her so.

Once again, can you actually acknowledge and refute anything I’ve said, rather than continuing to deflect? But yes, the beacon of truth is a what a club employee says to a random supporter at a Best and Fairest or family day.

You’re absolutely playing semantics, and I note that the end result doesn’t indicate a ‘lie’ or ‘misrepresentation’. A reported ‘intention’ can be accurate, without a corresponding result ensuring. I may have a desire and intent to go to the movies today, not completing that action does not take away from either the intention or desire. That’s simply output dependency; a change to an input can absolutely result in a change in output. As I said earlier, your binary outlook lacks any analytical value at all, and is an extremely sheltered and naive way to treat information. It has no real world application. Feel free to keep living in the post truth world though, it’s scary out there.

Yeah, how dare parties disagree on a forum. Next you’ll bring out the timeless classic “supporters support” line.

As you’re the one asserting a mistruth, or claims of libel, the onus is actually on you to suggest otherwise. But given you’re essentially wanting to impart some obscure, reverse onus, I would suggest to you that there is enough on the balance of probabilities to indicate much of what is reported is accurate to the extent the information is available. Do you want to proceed with tendency examples? Show some critical thinking, it may hold you in good stead. Once again, your inability to critique the club says volumes.

One of the best posts in this thread.

Your inability to ever critique the club, and constant grandstanding honestly just removes any credibility in your stance(s). ‘Notoriously’ way off? Guessing you live and work in a binary world then?