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I think the word you're after there is 'integrity', WYL, but I agree.

Thread cleaned a little. I've left the robbiefrom13/Range Rover banter in because although it's probably misplaced in this thread, it's probably a topic worthy of discussion. The Hardnut/Range Rover stuff is gone, because it turned in to what it always does, petty, boring, ridiculous point scoring that was (again) making the thread unreadable.

It's not a choice between Green or Bate and/or Petterd. The latter two should be gone, then what to do with Green is a third decision on top.

Unpredictable as it may be, my head will hit the desk hard if Dunn isn't delisted. I'd accept Joel Macdonald playing one extra season. To me he is and always has been a year by year proposition - I think he's not that great a player but he's always genuinely competitive (unlike Dunn), so I think for a developing side he's probably adequate until he is unseated by someone superior. I was hopeful that would be Davis this year, but he hasn't come on yet. I think the case for keeping Macdonald and the case for delisting him have equal merit and it'll just boil down to how many spots we feel we want to clear.

That's one hell of an injury list. Actually, it looks familiar...

Exactly. It's as Chook in Perth said, you're either confident in Schwab or you're not; it's that black and white (or is that red and blue?). There's no such thing as "we back Schwab unless someone better is available".

He's played fewer games than ol' Lynden who is an absolute monty to be delisted.

My post had 10 "likes" so I assume that those 10 people (at least) felt the same way I did. Like I said, I was grateful for the win and it was definitely a relief (a loss would've been a PR disaster), but the standard of the game was diabolical and I find that hard to get excited about. It's not about whether a 'W' or a 'L' appears in the result column - I've been satisfied with losses and disappointed with wins before. In this case I was neither satisfied nor disappointed, I was just bored. Just like the last 5 weeks. No doubt there were plenty of positives to take away from the game which others have covered, and I completely agree with many of them, but at the end of the day the quality of football we've played this year has completely flattened me emotionally and this game was no different. And Dunn showed some mongrel? Forgive me for not doing backflips about that.

From the article Middle men see Dees home: Having a teammate that you can just implicitly trust to take the grab must be invaluable.

On what grounds?!

Spencer is all heart, is aggressive, and has a crack all the time without exception. That's why I hate that I agree with GSOAG, he's not good enough.

Not sure about best ever, but it's bloody nice to have a bloke (or two - Clark) who you can almost actually rely on to take contested marks. It's not a luxury we've had a lot of in the last couple of years.

Agreed. Absolute joke that he gave the one vote to Green and not Nathan Jones.

My reaction to this is pretty much the same as it has been the last few weeks, because we've played the same way. The only variable is the quality of the opposition. I'm grateful for the win. Still can't wait for this season to end.

Got wiped out by Captain Grimes in a contest.

Howe signs for three years. Damn, Jars had me convinced Howe was off to SA.

My five year old daughter says to me "why do you bother watching? You know they're not going to win.". I wonder how she got so cynical at such a young age, then I realised she was born post-season 2006 - we've been absolutely rubbish for her entire life. Depressing.

Significantly less than it would be worth at the draft table.

Seems odd doesn't it? I guess we'll see. Spencer to ruck 90% of the game, Sellar the rest? The hair on the back of my neck is standing up.

I had a look through the rules: http://afl.com.au/Portals/0/2012/AM_6967_0112_AFL_laws.pdf I searched for key words like "outcome", "result", "loss", "lose" and "affect" and found nothing relevant to what you've said. I scanned the contents and couldn't even find a relevant section that might cover this.

Return home from the alternate universe.

At least with Brock you can understand - he's a none-to-bright footballer who was baited by a pair of parasites. I'm still reeling at Gardner's decision to stick his beak in with a bunch of crap that doesn't even stack up. Frustrating.

I just laughed embarrassingly loud in the office. Anyway, I'll stop derailing this topic.

How could anyone forget Scott Chisolm? I'm trying to think of a worse field kick I've seen in my life, and I mean from any club, and I can't think of one. He was just... wow.

I liked your post because it's spot on, but I'm a bit confused because you seem to be arguing against your own OP.