Nasher

If they win, I'll take heart from it. While it would be disappointing to know that the effort comes and goes, I'd take that over the idea that they're hopeless beyond redemption, which is how it seemed last week.

You reckon? I'd say being pathetic was a pretty large part of the problem.

Something whacky going on here, it's put La Dee-vina Comedia's post in to the top of a thread started by tonatopia. Closing the topic anyway.

When I opened the thread, it took me to the first new post since I last looked, which was on page three, and wasn't aware at the time that he had been. Even if I'd known I'd have still answered as I thought it was a good question, even if the manner in which he asked it was less a question and more an accusation.

My definition of legitimate, constructive discussion is the opposite of what I described in the first half of my post. It is topic agnostic.

My view is that there is a balance between mega-threads, which I oppose, and one-thread-per-thought, which I also oppose. The idea of a "whinging and complaining" thread is okay to me so long as the posts in it are purely just that, and not designed or intended to actually generate any discussion. Threads that contain legitimate, constructive discussion definitely do not belong here.

BH is on a self-imposed holiday. I expect he'll be back eventually.

If I thought this topic was salvageable I might clean it up, but I went five pages back and found nothing but squabbling, so it's closure time. Also, while I understand the "beating your wife" analogy, I and many others find it very distasteful and I'd appreciate if we can find a better one next time.

Two of the players had a sucky week one, so the whole recruiting strategy must have been a bust.

I take the view that while Dawes is out, one of Sellar and Pedersen need to play, to play forward/second ruck. When Dawes is fit, Clark will play forward/second ruck and Dawes as stay at home forward. While Sellar isn't any good, Pedersen's spot was untenable, so Sellar sticks about for now.

Jetta is not, and has never looked remotely like an opportunistic small forward.

I only comment on the words I read, Bub. If there's some context you want me to pick up, try putting it in your post.

Yeah, that's true, it does seem pretty innocuous. And if I were in his shoes I'd lay pretty low, I certainly wouldn't have a twitter account if I were a player. I still stand by my comments about abusing players online as being outside the rights of supporters though.

I can't bring myself to watch any other footy to be honest.

That's like saying it's okay to abuse a liney because your power bill was too high. "We" don't pay the players, and even if we did it doesn't buy us the right to treat them like dogs.

Getting paid doesn't mean he should have to suffer abuse. Hell, he didn't even play in the match, why should he cop it? There's this prevalent attitude that many have that because they barrack for a club and can access the players by social media that they have a right to say whatever they want to whoever they like. People seem to lose their sense of social conscience when they're behind a Twitter account, or a Facebook account, or a Demonland account. It's something that needs to change and I think Magner is within his rights to return serve.

It's a post from last year.

I'm really not sure that growing a beard is such a huge distraction. I grew a beard once and found that my focus on all aspects on life remained the same as it was on days I shaved.

I'm glad you agree.

I'm as disappointed as any, but I never cease to be amazed at how some people can take a light hearted thread that has nothing at all to do with the MFC and twist it in to evidence of how much the MFC suck. I am actually impressed.

Seems unlikely that one man is solely the problem in a cast of thousands that include premiership players, experienced assistants, an experienced coach, the best fitness guy in the business and so on. I don't know what the problem is though, so I can understand why people just give up trying to work it out and just put a bullet in the coach.

Attacking flair. Heh. Oh Gosh, I wish we were at a stage where it mattered if we had attacking flair or not.

March fools. March to August fools, actually. I sure feel like one.

I agree rjay, and I reckon Blease is a good example of a player without work ethic who was able to turn it around. For the record I heard a rumour early last season from a source I trust that Blease was on the outer because the coaches thought he was lazy, but that there was a tangible change through the year. I'm all for having the coach toughen up players who aren't up to it in those areas, but I think it's also important to recognise when a player is either a lost cause, or at least not worth the effort required when there are 40 players on the list and time and resources are at a premium.

Of that bench I'd have Blease, Pederson, Terlich and Jones.