beelzebub

Disregard if you will that this is just one game in. Actually, disregard the result.

I'll be brazen enough to suggest we are at the start of a new era.

I'm not disrespecting Goodie. He came , had a vision, had some very interesting ideas ( so much they changed the rules ...thats amazing really ) He guided his troops as we were under the realities that were and got us the best box of Choccies !! Thankyou.

But we're here now and the club is different. Hence new era.

Will we dance the dance again ?? 🤔🤔 I think we might. Not this year, nor likely next... but look out after that.

I see something in this bloke.... I reckon all his charges see something, even seasoned gladiators feel reinvigorated. Viney's champing at the bit.

All many of us felt for a long time is we have ability, some very decent talent on our list. Now, instead of 18 blokes defending, we've 18 blokes attacking !!

We often comment about players buying in. King definitely has.. He's now a committed Demon.

As ol Big Kev (rip) would say... I'm excited !!

4 hours ago, Robot Devil said:

Just want to highlight how Mihochek was also shepherding Latrelle which is why he had time to change direction and slot his goal. This is the standard I expect.

He will be very much the 'quieter' achiever ... but am sure he gets that.

A very astute acquisition

49 minutes ago, Deeko2 said:

From the infamous 'Betsy' article that recently came out, I'm wondering if the MRC were expecting more benefits of the deal. The comment around the tunnel is one thing - that really could be mitigated if need be however the unwillingness to share the administration facility is interesting.

Maybe they thought they were getting some new free gym area/office space/canteen/commercial kitchen bar usage via the Demons new HQ but we've told them that will 100% be ours.

"There are many issues that threaten to scupper the deal – the main being the football club’s insistence a tunnel is built underneath the racetrack [which would shut racing down for at least a year], not to mention an unwillingness to share an administration facility."

Nothing worse than an additional rooster in the hen house. If this is the case, I hope we hold firm.

There is much to say about this.

There are those who's only joy is to NAG !

Tbh a lot of the horsey set are right up themselves and can go [censored] themselves sideways

Some in that 'field' are totally of themselves...

To build MFC at Caulfield is not hard...truly

There is a lot of rubbish debated here

The problem is political... not about the build.

Leave it..

We're good

5 hours ago, Redleg said:

With Tennis Australia, the Pies and the Tigers all wanting us off Goschs, I would imagine that body I don't trust one bit, the AFL, would be keen to see us somewhere else in the short term.

If that is the case, for us to release our leverage as the current tenant, we would have to know that our long term base is happening.

To leave without long term security would be impossible to sell to the club members.

The AwFuL are a corruption of administrative delegation. They weren't always but have been for a long time.

When old Ralphy Lane ceased influence it all went pear shaped.

It's a club....just not one we're in 😞

2 hours ago, Demonland said:

Excellent analysis.

Thanks Jeff

6 minutes ago, Farmer said:

I’m very interested to see again a match review decision when Langdon marked the ball between goal and point post. They showed one clip only, when the ball had been firmly marked, and it was over the line. But I believe it plain that had we seen a couple of earlier clips it would have shown that initial contact was inside the line

My thoughts are similar. In reality ( well imho ) the imagery only really defined he had the ball behind the post line. But the actual deliberation is about where control is initiated... and that was before tge ball crosses the imaginary line of the back of the posts. This is a logical reasoning.

That ought to have been a mark

Just now, Demon_JB said:

Absolutely love him. He's already my new favourite player for the Dees.

I'm wondering if he has the confidence to kick straight running into goal? All his highlights at SANFL, preseason and over the weekend shows that he prefers to run around in a circle and snap. This will see him run into a lot of trouble later, hoping he has the confidence to just back himself in and kick straight. He hesitated a few times when he had that opportunity and either wanted to pass it off or nearly got chased down.

Regardless, love what he brings.

I think he has... but two things come to mind... nit always a clear path.... and he would be very aware that he's the new kid. He seems very keen on "team " things. He's not selfish. Possibly as he matures and grows into his part, he'll understand better when there ARE times to be that player,kick that goal. He's even now imho quite adept at not overreaching the moment.

Hell, for a first game he's exceptional

Love Titus...

'Owen Two' 🤣🤣🤣🤣🤣

3 minutes ago, Ghostwriter said:

They actually had t-shirts printed straight after that match last year… “Miracle at Marvel” with a picture of NWM taking a speccy. I wish I could say I’m joking, but sadly it’s true.

Bless their little hearts ....

1 hour ago, Little Goffy said:

I suspect I'm not the only one who has watched that goal a couple of times. What I've loved on close inspection is how deliberate it was. Not a simple case of 'I go fast, I go sideways too, watch me go!' but a genuine anticipation of what the defenders were going to do, and a dash into space that actually didn't exist until the defenders kept going to where Latrelle suddenly wasn't.

He has what many dont... speed, agility and TEMPO.

These are the magic ingredients of magically creating space where one seems.

Flash could , Robbie ( the Master ) ..Pendles..

Trav J too.. These aren't alone but come to mind

What i like,really really like is the syncronicity between Trelly and Koz takes it exponentially. Going to be an absolute hoot and a holler watching them together. They feed off each other 😉

36 minutes ago, Rab D Nesbitt said:

It looked like it was made out of bin liners.

Handy if such..

Aged well.... and probably went straight into one 😉

23 minutes ago, roy11 said:

That defensive play Petty made late in the game, bravo fella. A bit maligned but hopefully he can have a ripper year.

Yes commented upon that somewhere..

The one on the Saint's two ??

Was very well done. Ould easily have been a goal and dramatically changed momentum.

I just feel we're just a little lacking in defence atm. Could be opened up by better teams 🤔

Putting all the personnel aside and looking at the game it was a pure joy to see the use of 'clever' football. After years of dour negative style playing here we saw the consummate opposite.

Talking with mate (and Saint supporter ) I suggested the biggest change is almost along the lines of glass half full/ half empty style of argument.

With Goodwin the focus was on stoppages, on defence. Even the forwards were bogged down with defending inside the fwd arc. Something that always befuddled me ( as a forward,long long long time ago ) Goody played a team of 18 defenders.

FFwd

We now setup up attacks as far back as deep in our defended arc. KING thinks of the game as having 18 attacking players.

Instead of getting mired in ballups and stoppages we now try to get the ball moving and intelligently. The next kick isn't necessarily to a player...it's to advantage... We are no longer dropping bombs on heads we're kicking and creating opportunities for leads.

Anyone who's played this game knows none of this is new but it's been quite a while since most of us have seen blokes in a Red & Blue jumper playing this way, and playing well.

To think it took just ONE preseason .. just one 🤔🙄

Our game is still a tad rough and raw but the signs are there.

We're not finishing 14th..... just saying

10 minutes ago, DeeZone said:

What a great day to be at the “G”, very warmish conditions, we had our grandson with us at the game. Great to see everyone on L2, a lot of excited conversations and hello’s, picked up my coffee and pie on the way in. Jeez what a game of footy, fast and furious, Saints are hard to play when they have ball in hand lots of short kicks, handballs and marks and We are impossible to play when we get our run on game going. The Demon Army were loud and boisterous lots of flags, Heads and that drum beat WOW. We are super fit and played great team football. Roooooo and Mihocek were both brilliant in their own way, Max humongous, our four debutantes all fired, Kolt, Culley and Sharp were a revelation and the rest of the boys played like a reasonably well oiled machine (thanks Penrite), the music got better and louder as the day wore on, must admit I think it was when Sharp or Fritta kicked their sealers Sweet Caroline came on and all around us joined in. All in all a great day at the “G”, what a win.❤️💙👌💕

So good... SO GOOD !!!

28 minutes ago, monoccular said:

What incredible confidence especially for a debutant to take that third bounce and leave the Aints defenders looking like under 10s.

There is so much to look forward to.

I do wonder how long before opponents catch on that he does this thing.... runs straight.. then zags to the right ( his ) to skirt round a defender. ( bouncing when required )

Hopefully a lot lot more in bag of tricks 👍

36 minutes ago, Previously known as LITD. said:

Umps were rubbish.

Well... they weren't brilliant but fortunately they didn't adversely impact the game... it actually seemed able to flow on a lot.

A few off decisions both ways. The biggest howler was when ball clearly left the field before the arc yet it was thrown in. Lever was rightly miffed imo.

11 minutes ago, Jibroni said:

I dont mind CJ too, yes you do have your heart in the mouth when he has the ball (ala Frost) but his speed and ability to turn a defensive action into a positive is a plus. He will need time to find that balance but there is enough to work with.

A keen observer may have noticed at the start of the lead up to Trelly's goal .... Max had ball ...looking to offload... he picked CJ... who broke clear ( again ) and had the wherewithal/foresight to Roost it out into clean air in vicinity of 2 Dees.. the ability to allow the Kolt to run on to that and deliver it down the wing to Trelly should not be undervalued.

Best comment I've heard about yesterday...

" Saint's credit card just got Maxxed out !! "

9 hours ago, titan_uranus said:

IMO the only change we should be considering is getting in another tall, which by virtue of injuries has to be Heath, to help Gawn combat Darcy/Jackson, and/or to avoid Petty having to ruck when we have to cover Treacy, Voss and Amiss.

Obviously will disrupt our balance but there's a chance we went the extra runner today because Marshall was out and we wanted to up our run as they'd played last week. We went into the Richmond game with Kentfield in the side so our plan may well have always been to have another tall.

325 metres gained plus 10 defensive half pressure acts (third behind Petty and Turner).

He was gassed late but was far, far better than this.

Those players looking "a step off the pace" weren't all that bad though, but regardless, how much was that caused by St Kilda having played last week?

This ^^^^ ... a better account of the day me thinks.

That was our first dance of the year...and yes it looked like it at times... but at other times it gave a glimpse of things to come.

We've had all summer to learn new patterns but reality is ever so often more demanding than practice. Not all the gears meshed at times... but when they did !! 👍

Strangely I dont expect CJ to be perfect but he does have a specific quality that showed yesterday... he has bravado, speed and can break lines... On several occasions he changed the ebb by simply having half of Stkildas forward attack suddenly all in wrong positions. That's GOLD. I saw some quite decent k I king at times...and some nonsense special. I thought he did OK.. He'll do better. There's a lot a players that will similarly get better

I think our defence needs more work. It will be sorely tested against the Fockers.

Imho we did miss what May brings to defence yesterday and we need to find someone..or tactics to better do that. Im sure King and Co have been working on that ... keep.working ;)

Id like to see Tommy back... but not thinking thats Kings preference.. It occurs to me when both May and Tmac were in defence...it clicked well....left Ricky to do Ricky stuff. With neither on the park 🤷🤷 Disco and Petty need to step up again. I didn't think Petty was too bad actually... latter in game beating two opponents when it mattered was excellent.... but dropping a chest mark... not so much. Again I think we'll play better v freo for the hit out yesterday. We'll need to. Freo ought to go well this year.

Tis very early in season, and I notice the bookies are giving us NO respect..

Am thinking another close game coming up.

I'd be happy taking the choccies by any margin.

Be interesting if any changes. Im not expecting any.

Watched the game with a StKilda mate. We both thoroughly enjoyed it ( me probably a little more lol )

We both commented on how different the Dees play now. Aints played much better than v Pies. God only knows why Ryan returned 🤔🤷

Well done King...

We ought to get better with practice ( imho )

6 hours ago, bluey said:

The racing course holds, race meetings, race trials, and jump outs and course closures.

Tunnel operational staff also need to be considered.

Our tunnel will require cameras and monitoring , and will be subject to the worldwide guidelines requiring air quality to be monitored with gas sensors; gas leaks even though modern, fuel-efficient vehicles emit significantly less toxic gases .

Fire alarms, and ventilation systems require monitoring and evacuation planning.

Pumping equipment requires upkeep and management, in case of deluge and water pouring in through both ends.

Let’s not kid ourselves, The project is very significant, requiring both on going management and security and safety details.

Comedy Gold 👏

5 hours ago, Redleg said:

There are no more horses stabled at Caulfield.

Correct that you could build a tunnel during winter, move any poor attended meeting to Sandown, then at worst lose only one if any, ordinary race meeting at Caulfield.

They also own Mornington and do move meetings to there occasionally too.

So disruption to Caulfield racing is a furphy.

Just for the moment well set aside the LIE that a tunnel disrupts for a year.

I truly fail to see how any development would actually impact let alone stop any racing.

Whoever is pushing this 🐂💩 needs to be called out, named and shamed.

3 hours ago, picket fence said:

I hate to tell you I told you so, so....I won't say it!

Hate to tell you PF but you've been sucked in mate. You're just believing the 'invented' hurdle. Do you know anything about Civil (Engineering) ... do you really think they'd have to stop racing for a year ? Do you know what's involved with a fn pedestrian tunnel ...even if it requires emergency vehicle access ?? Do you ? I DO .

This is nothing but smoke and mirrors.

Will Caulfield go ahead 🤔🤷 Tbh i dont have a clue. We aren't actually being told sfa. But is it about a tunnel ? Nfw!! Is all this about some fw at the MRC ? For sure

Just a silly question for anyone to ponder. Ive no idea what Guera and Smith really get up to... but I'm sure neither are going to want to wantingly pin themselves to an.idea that wont float. They'd both be piped out quicker than you might imagine.

So imho

..this is still a goer but there are massive shenanigans at play.

You really have to wonder why. But that might be THE clue as to what all.of this is really about.

It ain't over til Helga starts warbling...

2 hours ago, Demonland said:

Shame 🤔🙄😉