iv'a worn smith

No, the Gold Coasts Suns are is one football team.

The issue goes far deeper than that I am afraid. The rhetorical question is based on the fact that they appear to be a football club in name only. They have been surpassed by GWS who entered the competition after them. Let's not forget that the AFL's preferred option at the time was to relocate North Melb. As pointed out above, regardless of the code, no notable sporting franchise has succeeded up there.

Is the GC Suns now irrelevant?

He did a lot at the time in question, along with CS.

Sorry I can never forgive. I am not saying he acted on his own, but he was integral in my view. Many good people were ruined by what happened back then.

Agreed. Whether tanking or not for draft picks, I've said this before. What was far worse was a culture that pervaded under Connolly's watch, that saw a belief that high draft picks would solve all our problems. Terrible drafting decisions, together with a failure to develop from within and a toxic 'boys' club culture, saw us go through those terrible years of pain, that we are only just coming out of now

Jetta. Bluey in my book. Just a great story and a damn good bloke. Well done Nev.

As Wayne Carey said last night, Martin got off with a slap on the wrist because he's in Brownlow contention. Bernie clearly is not. We can debate all we like whether Bernie was a dill or not, but there are clearly different rules, for different players, at different times. Schofield got off, due to his good fortune on the night that the Tribunal handed down a manifestly inadequate penalty to Houli. Schofield could not have been suspended on the night, given Houli got only 2 weeks in the first instance, for what he did. Then the spotlight turns on Clarry for supposedly staging. The system is broke and needs fixing.

Looks like Hoppy has been in a good paddock.

The only VFL/AFL player that I know of, that faced criminal charges for his hit on Neville Bruns. His behind the play attack on Peter Giles went beyond thuggery, it was, in my view, also criminal. Matthews has a docket as long as your arm.

Steven? But you are right, with the track record of Matthews, he has little credibility.

I don't disagree, I'm simply pointing out that the matter should not be played out in the media, to the extent where it effects the penalty handed down. When you are interviewing a senior operative of the AFL, to me it is not appropriate to seek to influence that operative on such matters. Again, I, in no way, seek to excuse Bugg for his actions.

There is no doubt that Bugg's strike was a stupid and reprehensible act. He deserves a substantial sanction. But what does annoy me is how the whole MRP and Tribunal process is almost certainly governed by media and their so-called experts. Listening to 3AW on Saturday, they had Bugg hung, drawn and quartered within 15 minutes. Add to that, Dr. Peter Larkins talking about possible brain haemorrhages from such strikes and the sad loss of his associate from the Box Hill hospital and then replaying Larkins' comments to Simon Lethlean during an interview with him, then you know Bugg will be held up as example of just how the AFL will want to be seen as the tough 'sheriff'. Lethlean, given his AFL role, should have declined to go anywhere near the subject on live radio. As I said, Bugg certainly deserves a substantial sanction, but having the media affect the outcome of the penalty is not reasonable.

It just nice that we can even talk about a possible GF now, with credibility. Bad days are forgotten.

Re Thomas' comments on the MFC Doctors. Where was he when Jesse Hogan went on the basis of a Carlton's Doctor's report on Sam Rowe, which indicated he had concussion, as a result of the 'blow', continued to play out the game and played the following week? Total hypocrisy in my view.

Yeah, I'll take that as well.

Edit: any semblance of credibility ...........

Any credibility Slobbo may have had has evaporated over the last month. The guy is an A grade jerk.

You are not serious are you?

It amazes me that people can speculate on intent, impact and result/damage to the 'target', when they were not on the spot at the time. The Tribunal and MRP have more acute technology to view and of course, in this case, evidence will be taken. I came into the office this morning and my GM says, what about Oliver taking a dive? He should be ashamed of himself. A response of go and get cattle trucked came to mind, but my wonderful sense of diplomacy took charge .......... thank goodness for that. There is not a player going around that has not milked any incident for all it's worth, if they thought it would be of benefit to the team. As far as I am concerned, Clarry was hit by an elbow, on the chin. In terms of impact and effect, none of us will know for sure, but to me there is no doubt the intent was there. A glancing blow to the point of the chin, would not be pleasant for anyone.

Gary was a fair full back in his time. Regardless of the rationale, the next month or so will be a very testing period for the footy club.

2 interstate trips coming up and 2, 6 day breaks, so lets keeps things in perspective for the moment. While trying not too, I can't help comparing our journey so far this year, with Bullies of last year. And as for the whingeing filth supporters, re the umpires, most of us on here have seen us on the receiving end of crook decisions this year. What goes around, comes around. Even Buckley said things even themselves out over the duration ............. and that's not too mention the substantial lead they let slip. But please, for once Dees, let's look at playing a full, 4 quarters.

Remember the year he won MOY with us? Took it over Grundy then handballed. Turnover. We got belted. I'll take wins like today over that anytime

We will be star studded soon

Why not us? Believe Dees