daisycutter

win what ivor? if it is the past crimes committed against the indigenous population and sad current state of progress. then i didn't detect much opposition if it is a debate about inherent racism then this is more a debate about degrees rather than absolutism if is a debate about solving indigenous inequality again i didn't detect much opposition about the desirability of it what i did detect was a lot of blame, personal attacks, self loathing and inflammatory hyperbole what i didn't see was much effort at consensus dialog or working together without laying guilt and before you ask, these comments are not aimed at you personally

he could always coach the blues from hawaii via video link in 2017

true, dinks......just a light-hearted smart arz comment to lighten things up a liitle

steady ivor.....it wasn't aimed at anyone specifically

sometimes simplistic drivel is preferable to sophisticated drivel

it is what it is C&B fitzy's not the first or last to be a plick teaser

i'm sure they'll find someone to sue they're very inventive and they've got tania

wow, webber, what a polemic attack you do realise that you have added zero content to the discussion but just launched a hyperbolic attack aimed purely at the person and not the subject you are just adding to what ivor was doing, straying wide of the subject and applying a broad brush of bitterness to denigrate others a great way to work towards consensus for what it's worth, goodes's little war dance bothered me not at all. a non event as far as i'm concerned but all the pious, self-righteous extrapolating and pontificating (by both "sides") in this thread is giving me a headache it seems more like a pizzing contest than a discussion

i can't let that go without comment ri anzac day is a day of remembrance not celebration australia day was not a day of destruction and death you seem to be illogically fighting revisionism with a revisionism of your own

i have a son who works in it for a bank, does that make him a "true leach(sic) on society"? on the other hand, i have a brother in law who works for a stockbroker, who could be described as a leach(sic) nice to see you are at least free of bigotry, ri

like i said i have never read him or heard him speak of course i have browsed occasional media articles but that doesn't give me a critical understanding

i've never read windshuttle so i wouldn't know

well it's a funny misguided "illustrative point" ivor i've never heard anyone refer to irving as a "doyen of democracy" (until i read your post)

david irving as a "doyen of democracy"? oh come on ivor........you can surely do better than that doyen......sheeesh!

actually ivor, it's neither a privilege nor a right, it's just a plain old poitical system, usually imperfectly implimented

but not selwood

goodesness gracious, this thread has gone on for 12 pages! edir: errr 13 pages now, sorry

and not forgetting that carlton had previously been given THREE pps AND despite that still got into their current position so, considering everything they would odds on to get a pp

moonie, it's hard to remember a ground that wasn't muddy (or in bad condition) in winter in those days it makes one wonder how skilled those were who could reliably kick a drop-kick or heaven forbid a stab pass

bad scott's expressions - priceless

wotcha talkin bout, willis?

you're all missing the point goodsies dance was a fairly amateurish effort, needs a lot more development to succeed at afl level suggest he gives david rodan a ring for a bit of coaching otherwise it might be back to the neafl

vic park was nothing compared to port melbourne when it came to supporter behaviour in those days on field wasn't much better either

beaver st earl, backing on to the golf course and creek.......these days they just sort the mail.....saves a lot of trouble than seeking it

yep, just checked, the blackie is 1 km closer from my joint than the doncaster but.....it's more north east than north (it is north of east burwood but that doesn't count) some nice spots in box hill. have a monster-in-law in box hill north and a son in box hill south