Its Time for Another

Jon Ralph in HeraldSun reporting that Melbourne have ruled out securing ex Pies defender Sam Murray. Wonder what happened. I thought he looked like a good prospect. He goes on to say ex Bomber Mitch Brown has been linked to the Dees.

DFA PSD and Rookie draft cut off date 22 Nov. Dint know about draft.

I wouldn't think he'd want to go into the rookie draft where Gold Coast may well take him. They really need players with a few years experience and he definitely has stuff to offer. If not them we could get him with the next pick. Although he's missed a season I don't think there's a risk with him like there is with Bennell where no one including him knows if his body is going to be ok. Does anyone know how many players you can pick up in the SSD. Could we get Bennell and Murray. What a win if we can. Both minimum cost with great potential reward.

I wonder about this. Surely this would be a medical expert's opinion on calfs not a fitness and conditioning trainer like Burgess. I would guess medico's give opinion on whether there's medical potential to recover and set medical boundaries and then Brugess creates a training regime with the Doc's and physio's advice and what he can and can't do medically.

For those crying about Frosts departure, he looks like he would provide safer heart in mouth bursts from the back line but with a better footy brain judging by the fact that he at leasts knows to punch the ball towards the boundary not into the oppositions arms in front of goal. Agree he seems to have had a very harsh knock on his kicking. Swans were desperate to keep him. Won't cost a pick and won't cost much $ and brings much needed pace. Give him a one year contract. Another minimum cost risk with potentially strong upside. Bring it on.

Agree with above. No matter what the outcome it's a really great opportunity to firstly test our culture and leadership to take a player with his history and make him prosper. Like what TIgers achieved with Dusty. Secondly a great opportunity for our revamped medico's and Burg's to weave some magic. If they pull that off not only will we get Bennell we might attract other players going forward like Hawks medico's have.

I had a calf issue caused by a nerve issue. In my case the nerve issue makes the calf muscle spasm and tighten right up. When you exercise a muscle in that state it’s almost inevitable that it will eventually tear. Mine flared up riding but when I stopped it settled down after each ride. If his was anything like that it would explain it.

Senior list min 38 to max 40. A Rookies min 4 with list of 40 to max 6 with list of 38. Up to 3 Cat B Rookies separate to this. We currently have 35 on list and have to draft 3 which at this stage includes 97 which is unlikely to be used other than on a rookie upgrade. If that was all that happened we'd have a list at the min 38 and 3 rookies left so would have to take 3 more. Put one place aside for Bennell and we'd take 2 in the rookie draft. Alternatively if we took a DFA like Murray and we kept a rookie place for Bennell we'd only pick 1 in the rookie draft. When you take that into account it makes it even less of a downside if Bennell doesn't work as he'd take the place of a 2nd or 3rd pick in the rookie draft. Don't know what the stat's on players taken there being successful would be but I'd be surprised if it was very many.

I'm all for this. Very low risk if it doesn't work out. High reward if it does. To put the risk factor into perspective how many players have come back from not playing for 4 years? I can only think of Daniel Menzel who was great for a couple of years and then faded out. Although to be fair Bennell played 4 WAFL games this year and 6 last year so got through rehab both seasons to start playing.

Agree. But it's virtually zero cost other than a few thousand bucks for him to train with us over the summer. If he breaks down at any stage that's it. If he gets through the summer we'll have a good idea on whether to gamble on minimum wages for 2020. The loss if it fails is minute. And lets face it based on the past 4 years don't hold your breath. But if it works. Oo La La!! And either way it's worth it just for a few weeks of excitement at a dead time of the year.

True but if his asking price of $700k+ is true he hasn't justified that in his performances to date. He and Bennell fully fit and firing would make a significant difference to our skill levels.

The Club has made a priority of improving the medical and conditioning departments. This play will be a great test if we've got it right or not. Hawks medicos have successfully delivered them Burgoyne, Scully, O'Meara, Patton and on their own have made them a destination Club. Let's hope that's what's about to happen to us.

I had the same thought. How sweet would it be to pick Harley up as a DFA and Martin in the other draft but he'd have to get a reality check on his asking price.

So 5 potential spots on the list gives us a bit of an idea of the parameters of what might happen over the next couple of weeks. From what I'm reading some think Young is close to Anderson standard with an elite kick which is exactly what we need. I doubt we'd split 3 and give him up. None of the rest sound like they are close to that standard. I think it's more likely we'll split 8. Pick trading is live now until 22 Nov and then on draft nights. So guessing we'll end up with 3 picks in the draft with one of the existing picks and one turned into 2. All players left on the list are contracted so more delistings will happen. It's still been 9 list changes which is a lot really including 5 from the primary list with 2 replacements. If we take 3 in the draft it leaves the list at 38 so I'm guessing there will be at least one DFA (I'm guessing Murray for pace. Swans rated him very highly but some say he's a terrible kick. I don't know.) and possibly one rookie upgrade as we have 4 rookies now and 1 Cat B with Bradtke.

Good to read a comparison with Anderson who I’m so upset at missing. Especially as all the talk is that this draft drops off a cliff after Anderson. Anyone else got a view about the two of them.

No wonder. I went back to find it for you. It’s at 48sec. Only problem, on closer inspection it’s actually Weightman not Young. Still a very good kick though. My 2 cents worth is the kicking skills of the top 4 in the finals was a clear significant point of difference. And we don’t have it. Young brings it Serong doesn’t.

The player I noticed in these highlights wasn't Serong it was the things Young did. How was that kick threading the needle to a leading forward inside 50. Just what we are crying out for. Just because he played half back as a junior doesn't mean that's where his AFL career will be. Hogan was the AA U 18 CHB. T Mac was a forward as a junior and recruited as a back. J Howe was recruited by Pies as a forward and we know how that ended.

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I forced myself to watch some Freo games this year just to watch him because I had the feeling we were going to get him after trying last year. I hadn’t seen much of him before that either. I didn’t see the poor disposal many talk about. He didn’t dominate any of the games I saw but he’s a great runner and a good competitor. Bit as the seasons gone on he’s got better and better. As you say time will tell.

Ernest have a look at the trajectory of Langdons’s performances over his career. It keeps going up. His stats overall virtually match Brad Hill’s some are better. His disposal is not as good but had been continually improving. His last month was well beyond Hill and up with Gaff quality. By the end of next season he will be looking like the steal of this trade period and will make a big difference to our ball movement and defensive transition. Don’t be sad be happy.

Shish...we all see what we want to see. I see Frost for Langdon. With some minor drops in minor picks which with smart selections won't matter. How is that not a massive win. We lose a player in a position we have 5 players on the list for and pick up a player who has something we are desperate for. Pick 22 downgrade to 26 this year in a dud draft where we might have our eyes on a player at 22 who would still be there at 26 so no loss. Pick 42 to pick 50 in a dud draft. A pick is only worth what player you get with it. These picks will be a lottery anyway. We might end up with a better player at 50 than 42. I'm not concerned with this one. Next years second rounders. We give up ours for Langdon and get back Hawks which should be a higher pick than ours next year. Win, win and win. That's what I see

Genuine question. Not argument. Why?

Good theory depending on how highly you rate him and whether you are prepared to take the risk that another club will take him before then. The Swans regarded him very highly and really liked what they saw in the two years he was rookie listed there even though he hadn't played a game yet. They were very unhappy when he left. He had a very good start at the Pies. Has elite speed is a good size but kicking is not elite. Plenty to work with and he could release Salem up the field to be the weapon we so desperately need for delivering the ball inside 50.

Delisted free agency windows Friday November 1 - Monday November 11 Wednesday November 13 - 5pm Friday November 22

Apparently he still hasn't even told MFC he wants to come here. We've been talking to him for a year, trade weeks started and no decision on even coming over.