middleagedemon

Something we can agree on, although I'd reserve judgement until the end of the year given JVR is in a purple patch and some of those other forwards are down and team form is similarly not helping. JVR is tracking beautifully.

On what basis is it iffy? Please tell. He is an ex AFL player and assistant coach and he is knowledgeable only because of his access to champion data? Please stop with the comedy.

For the record, I think King is clearly knowledgeable. Much more so than any poster on here given his experience as an AFL player and assistant coach at the level. The only problem I have is that AFL media is so ove-saturated and he is on so many programs that he is clearly going to be wrong often given the amount of opinions he needs to give on a weekly basis. But his stuff with Daniel Hoyne is great. And first crack generally has some interesting insights. Regardless of whether or not one 'likes' the personality.

Given he uses 'stats' to back many of the opinions (not all) he holds, why is that? I mean, obviously he gets things wrong, as we all do. No more than you though? How many times have you been realllly confident that we'll get a win due to the phase of 'loading' we're in (which you like to back by the 'stats' you think correlate to our performances) only to be wrong about the result? Many. I like your optimism about us in general. But I think it pulls you so far over to one side that what you're actually looking for most of the time is the 'stats' that you think back the non-negotiable view you hold about us or a subject to do with us. Ie, 'loading'. Or Godwin at the selection table. Etc.

Haha. Go and bother the fire starters Goffy. I was posting football related content until a poster began claiming I was 'bagging' players. And now you've quoted me as saying "omg I'm so oppressed" in 13 of my posts! Which convo are you joining btw? This one most certainly doesn't feel like "the conversation".

To the game.. I can see why Goodie has selected Petty as the only 'in' given the potential weather and the way we'll try and play essendon. However, I worry for JVR, Turner and Petty going into the ruck not because they won't compete, but because of further risk to injury. Especially JVR. Petty is the opposite of the Dr durabunny so I'm expecting him to be subbed out at some point. See what happens ey. Bring heat and effort in the middle for the entire match and we'll trouble them. Off in that area and we'll lose the game in a quarter.

The sheriff has put all fan boys on ignore. Adios!

I was minding my own business and I see her post suggesting I bagged players? I called her out and asked me to provide evidence, which of course she didn't. I think that's fair enough, no? And she is now on ignore, so all will be well. Perhaps it's filtered into this forum over time, but it seems that those of us who have the capacity to go full spectrum with our view and opinions on the club are constantly shouted down. An opinion provided about a player 'missing too many targets' turns into 'bagging' said player. WCW is a fan. I'm a supporter. This is a forum for all views. If she doesn't agree with something I have said, she can disagree and perhaps engage in a discussion as to why she disagrees. But she doesn't, she just calls me out for 'bagging' players. She's a fan. Same as Saty.

Please put me on ignore for you and everyone else!

Maybe you can tell the same to the poster who keeps saying that I am bagging players? This place is wild. I've posted here before, for years so please save the 'arrived here 5 seconds ago' as if there's some kind of poster hierarchy around here.

Toxic positivity on it's full display ladies and gents. Hey @WalkingCivilWar, please quote me on a post I made 'bagging' a player? Bet you can't. Maybe spend less time trying to policing this joint and more time accepting that not every supporter needs to be a 'fan-girl' of everything MFC eh?

Allen and a few of the MFC boys looked very chummy post game. Obviously that's not unusual. But I thought they were unusually chummy compared to the other players.

How do you split them? Again, I don't know the numbers but to my mind they're pretty on par.

Verrel relative?

Fair enough! (glasses are on).

There's a reason the overwhelming majority (if not all) in the footballing media world agreed it was deliberate and not a trip. At what point are people willing to take off their glasses on here to just see an act as it is? So bizarre. If he had the opportunity to kick a match winning goal, do you think the 'trip' would have stopped him doing so? Just take the glasses off.

Silly debate. No recruiting team nails every pick. But stack Taylor and co's record vs other clubs and I imagine he'd be in the top 5 for strike-rate. That's without doing any number crunching. He's been amazing for us. Which current recruiting team/head recruiter would you have over him aside from Stephen Wells at Geelong?

Haha. The only people that believe he was tripped are Melbourne supporters. Funny that. Most notably the die-hard, rose-coloured ones who hate any kind of negative word said about the club. ANB had more that one opportunity to dispose of the ball, before he fell over the line. It was deliberate by every and any measure. It was a bad decision on his part to hold onto the ball. It's okayyyy to say that.

One of the things that excites me most about Windsor is the level of physicality he shows for an 'outside' player. On the weekend, I was sitting second level MCC, directly behind Windsor's wing. He streamed in at a centre bounce like a man possessed and just hit a contest so hard I couldn't believe it. There were a few other contests throughout the day that made me think this kid arguably has the highest growth potential on our list due the fact that his body can't match his level of contest appetite yet. As soon as it does, we're going to have an unbelievably dangerous and damaging player on our hands as he'll be able to break tackles, stick tackles, out-body and break-away much easier. Would love to see him start at centre bounce eventually. Unbelievably exciting.

Bagging? Haha. The sensitivity levels of certain posters is bewildering and wow the toxic positivity thing has really struck a chord! 🤣 I used to post before you'd even said boo on here but I see you're the self proclaimed guardian of the club nowadays. Let's just ignore each other from here on ey?

Christy, has Binman brainwashed this many people? On what basis do you 'expect' our fitness to look much better? Freo, Collingwood, North.. Which one were we 'bouncing' for? Or is it this one?

I'm assuming WCW is the site's new Saty? Some serious patrolling on this forum.

Brisbane's last three scores for. 152 points against Port. 126 points against St Kilda. 114 against the Dogs We managed 70 against North Melbourne. I'll repeat. 70. With no goals in the last quarter. The team in the bottom of the ladder. Offensively, we are no match and the Midfield comparison is terrifying. Brisbane put on 55 points from scores from stoppage for the first three quarters against Port. They won clearance by 15 and won the inside 50's 71-46. All of this at Port Adelaide. Brisbane's DNA hasn't changed, they're a stoppage, clearance and contested machine of a midfield with one of the most potent, dangerous and dynamic forward-lines in the AFL which is humming atm. Our numbers? We are -4 in contested ball against sides this year. We are the 4th worst clearance side in the comp. We're the 3rd worst team in the comp in scoring on turnover. It's mind-boggling that some think we're in with a chance against this side on current form. If we get within 35 points, I'll be astonished. But this could be an easy 50+ loss and that is the more likely scenario.

It's the level of his performances, his inconsistency and his visible body shape that are the clear indicators that he's not fit enough. The word 'fit' is misleading. I don't purely mean aerobically fit. As stated, I think he's undone in many areas. Aerobic fitness, power and strength, his intensity doesn't look the same. There's a lot there that is showing. As far as being more valuable to the side than anyone else at VFL level, it depends on a lot. It depends on what the plan is, where you are placed as a side etc. Goodwin is coaching for the season atm. There's a lot tied into that. All I know is that he shows his desperation and stubbornness too often and this season we've had underperforming senior players who Goodwin hasn't been willing to drop.

Have been a long-time reader of this forum and I must say, it's become very vanilla, protected and increasingly PC over the years. I think it's okay for supporters to come to a sites like this and criticise aspects of the club, coach and even players if they're not performing. As long as it's done within reason. It seems if you don't display constant toxic positivity around anything Melbourne fc, you open yourself up to be ridiculed and/or banned, some posters I really enjoyed reading over the years seem to have left. The Clayton Oliver issue is one that should welcome honest criticism and feedback among supporters and I can't quite understand why posters feel the need to start a thread defending him when his form is cause for concern has been for months now? Are people really that precious? My opinion of Clayton's clear drop off is that he's not fit, powerful or mentally strong enough which one can accept given the interrupted pre-season he had. I don't buy that he had 'no pre-season', those calls make no sense as he wouldn't be playing if he had no pre-season. But clearly to the eye, his body shape has changed and that could be due to any number of things. Professionalism around diet, sleep, night time activity, medication and of course lack of physical conditioning. Its been a double-whammy for us because his undeniable strengths as a ferocious ball winner and clearance king have been enormously impacted by his broken pre-season which has led to him being even further exposed due to his weaknesses. Weaknesses being, ball use, decision making, scoreboard impact. Clayton is not a well-rounded mid. He's a mid that is elite in facets of the game and is average to weak in others. And now that he's strengths are not on display, his contribution is almost non-existent at times. Now, I think it's more than reasonable to make that observation/call without the need for posters to cry 'leave him alone'. The worry for me is more around a trait that Simon Godwin possesses. Desperation. For one, I was extremely surprised to see Clayton back playing in round 1 having barely played in match sim and or pre-season games at AFL level and lack of any meaningful form before he was played. That move just smells of Godwin's desperation. This is when we had an entire midfield brigade to choose from and there was absolutely no pressure to bring him in. Here we are, over halfway through the season and Clayton's clear lack of conditioning due to his broken pre-season and whatever else is going on behind the scenes has been on display week-in, week-out and is now even more in the spotlight given Trac's absence. Goody has done Clayton and the club no favours by declaring him 'fit' and 'ready to go' when it was clear to see he wasn't. His contribution is meaningless atm due to what I've outlined and this is simply another call made by Goodwin out of desperation and stubbornness.