Monbon

Wikipedia is saying Schache is a Melbourne Demon. Also saying Weidemann is a Bomber. Schache has played 69 games for 77 games, Weidemann 59 games for 62 goals.

12 hours ago, fr_ap said:

To be fair, Weid has had days like that in the VFL probably on >5 occasions. Often against better opposition - including his memorable day out at Box Hill against the Hawks. 

These highlights were against Coburg Lions. They went 4-14 for the season and havent finished outside the bottom 4 since 2014 after losing their AFL affiliated team. 

A couple of nice marks at the end but the majority were relatively uncontested - his off the ground one in the square bizarrely rewarded his famous lack of intensity.

This guy has already changed clubs and the fresh voice didn't do anything. Weid gets the benefit of the doubt there. 

Doesn't excite me - but I'll get behind him if he joins 

I was there at Box Hill that day. He was magnificent - pack marks, long goals. I've been a fan ever since. That he has only rarely lit up as a Demon Forward - a la 2018 Finals - is a great disappointment for me.

Can't say I was impressed with his admission that he was 'gone' after the Bye, that he flew to his mum and checked out the Eagle den as well. Um, doesn't that mean that focus has evaporated? Doesn't that mean that from Round 14 he was going through the motions? I wonder whether his stats curved negative from that point on...

29 minutes ago, Engorged Onion said:

Signs you may be experiencing Oedipus complex as an adult could include an unexplainable sense of dislike toward the opposite gendered parent.

 LJ is not like that is he?

Oedipus, Schmoedipus: as long as he loves his momma.

This debate is typical of Demonland: the 360 Degree gamut of Opinions. It reminds me  of the famous Yiddish observation that you get three - in this instance, we'll call them Yekkes - in a room and in an instant, you get five different opinions...

1 hour ago, daisycutter said:

i agree he's basically just a kid but a 21 year old can't be called a teenager 🤣

Most blokes are teenagers till they get to 40...

15 hours ago, Lord Nev said:

No, you're just wrong.

You have waved your hands around and made sweeping ignorant statements like you so often do, but you're wrong.

It may be your experience, but it's not everyone's experience, but I know that's something you will never understand.

Just because you had good experiences with your church does not mean that there were/are issues and major problems with what we call Religion. To pretend your experience is universal, then to put down people who have differing experiences and points of view is, dare I say, rather unchristian of you. It's exactly the problem people like SWUL and millions of others have, myself included.

'Sweeping ignorant statements', indeed.

1 minute ago, BDA said:

Sheeds going public regarding the coaching vote and his disapproval of the outcome makes his position on the board untenable. The chairman should tell him to fall on his sword. If he's honorable he would do it without prompting from the chair

How often has Sheedy fallen on his sword? he is either invincible or has access to the best surgeons in the land.

The Demonland judges are so discerning: all year they've poo-pooed Sparrow and Spargo. Tonight is their comeuppance.

37 minutes ago, drysdale demon said:

Intense pressure, relentless tackling and gut running will win finals, we failed to do this in the back half of the season in most games. 

Mainly cos most had no legs...

1 hour ago, Jaded No More said:

I was not referring to finals. We were 10-0 and had West Coast and North back to back. We had ample opportunities to rest players who were not right. 
Lever kept hurting his foot. Salem was never right to return. Gawn rushed back. 
We absolutely could have rucked Jackson and Weideman for 5-6 weeks and given Gawn a proper rest. We could have debuted JVR and given Brown a month off leading into finals. We took risks that in hindsight cost us dearly. 

Hindsight, JNM. We wouldn't have finished second had we not won three crucial games: Geelong had the benefit of games up their sleeve, plus many games at Geelong. They also had a dream run with injuries. When injuries hit us like a tempest, life ain't ever going to be easy for selectors or game plan strategists.

I predicted the Geelong slaughter of the Lions, and in my heart of hearts, though I wanted Sydney to win, the wilderness voice  said, No Way, it will be another slaughter. 

13 minutes ago, Monbon said:

Geelong had a different draw though, and many games at Geelong...

And, in passing, I just saw the ladder at the end of the home and away games: crocks and all, heavily weighted Draw, we still finished second with a Percentage of 130.5. Sure, the crocks couldn't get us over the line in the last 2 games: I'd rather praise their valour than veil myself with woe and misery.

9 hours ago, Bring-Back-Powell said:

It was absolute amateur hour Layzie by Gawn, the club or a combo of both.

The injury was quoted as 4-6 weeks post Queens Birthday (Rd 13) and he was already talking up a comeback for round 16. He ended up coming back in round 17 V Geelong and played one of his worst games in years.

I really hope the club goes to school on our injury management (or lack thereof) and put a bit more faith in our players at Casey rather than flogging our stars who were clearly injured.

Geelong integrated players from the VFL in the latter rounds and it didn’t hurt them.

Geelong had a different draw though, and many games at Geelong...

2 hours ago, Lord Nev said:

That's a completely different conversation that I wasn't commenting on though...

Metinks, as dey might say in Ireland, dat we are talking at cross purposes. I was speaking - in a manner - to those who believe we should have not played the 11 players in question and replaced them with the Casey names I mentioned.

There were also the consistent calls throughout the year to replace the players I also mentioned with Casey players. I was implying it wasn't as simple as simply 'blooding' the newbies.

12 hours ago, Lord Nev said:

Lol turn it up mate. Without having in-depth medical records, KPIs and GPS data no one can go through "week by week" and make those calls accurately. Ridiculous comment and you know it.

If you balanced it out and brought it through gradually you just need the  players coming in to play a role, they don't have to play out of the box. That's what depth is. The Watts comparison is absurd and we are past those days.

'Dropping' a player is not the same as managing a player. How do you think Chris Scott explained 'dropping' Joel Selwood?

I wasn't talking about 'managing': I was referring to the many calls on this site to drop Spargo, Neale Bullen, Melkasham etc to 'blood' new players.

13 minutes ago, Lord Nev said:

No one said 11 players should have been dropped at once and replaced.

The clear implication is we pushed the boundaries with inured players, perhaps off the luck we had in 2021, but the balance was too far to  the other side this year and it cost us.

Given the form of Casey, losing 1 game for the entire season, there was ample opportunity to blood some young players who had earned a shot while at the same time making sure those injured players were brought back to better condition. We could have done this bit by bit and planned out the year differently, especially given not all injured or sore players were at their 'worst' at the same time.

It's not just on Goody, but also the fitness staff and the entire selection committee. I would say mostly the selection committee given what we know about Goodwin's firmness with the fitness team.

Agree, however, please confirm when you would have replaced who with whom, if you get my drift. We won the first 10 games, then were  placed in the Draw from Hell, and as I recall, every time there was the possibility of 'blooding', it would have been unfair to drop the player the newbie would have replaced. Go through it week by week, compare the relative performances at Casey. For example, Dunstan had 5 chances, Bedford a few, Chandler only limited. Van R was still groping around, showing plenty but not quite enough to be thrown to the wolves - recall all of the last 12 games were against Top 8 contenders, and the days of Queens Birthday Watts sacrifice were over...

Why blame 'Goody' for this? Recall, if you may, that 2021 was a year when, whoever the gods of football are, granted us a virtual free pass. Some on this site believe god was called Burgo. I'd rather believe the god was called Serendipity, the same god who spins the wheels of fate and the result has absolutely zero to with Burgo, Goody, or the fact that Melbourne played with 11 injured players. From what I've read, those 11 players should, according to some, been replaced by 11 fit and able Casey players. Yeah, sure. We lose and Goody gets the buckets of poo poured over him for playing Turner, Van R, Brown, Howes, Baker, Tomlinson, Chandler, Bedford, Moniz-W, Weideman, Laurie, Dunstan and Woewoddin.

I rest my case.

On 9/20/2022 at 12:03 PM, willmoy said:

In conjunction with that Brownie, and i agree, we could find that should he be tossed into all preseason games next year in that role we might just have what we want. He is going to build up a little more, more ks in the legs, more peripheral awareness. The big fella from SP was stuffed. Weideman was still going. Best performance of the year in my book in a position that were we to lose in, with his opponent able to palm, we would have lost that game.

Given that 'The big Fella from SP' was carrying a belly or two extra to requirements - like  a lot of us, no doubt. Not to detract from The Weid.

Does anyone have any news or inkling of who will stay and who will be pork copped?

6 minutes ago, Kick_It_To_Pickett said:

Adam Tomlinson is finished Lord Nev. I don’t know what Casey games you’ve been watching, but he is very far off the pace 

A good pre-season may alter that...

11 minutes ago, DeeZee said:

Had an interesting  convo with a club insider during the Casey grand final.

Said we had too many players carrying injuries into the finals in Lever, Salem, Petracca , Jackson , B. Brown and Oliver, and that Fritsch who couldn’t jump because of a knee issue and Gawn with a sore foot shouldn’t have even played.

Reckons that bar injury we will be back with a vengeance next year.

Also said Joel Smith was offered a contract on low money which he didn’t accept and almost went to Sydney who offered him a 3 year deal.( Longmire is his godfather).

MFC came back and upped the offer so he decided to stay.

Yep, the hidden injury list has not been taken into account by a lot of gloomers and doomers on this site.

19 minutes ago, layzie said:

Counted at least 7 senior listed players at Ikon Park today supporting our guys and around 8 former players. 

Definitely crap culture.

There were many more than 7...

38 minutes ago, Demonsone said:

Perhaps unsuccessful clubs like ours sometimes can’t handle success eg the May issue 

Surely the 'May Issue' has been overblown. No matter what the sport, what the circumstances, if you get a bunch of blokes together, when alcohol is involved, there is and always will be a potential for fireworks. It's hard enough to get a man and his wife to not niggle the bejesus out of each other during their 'team' internment, let alone a room full of Catholic Bishops from different diocese's, let alone a bunch of young blokes, all from different backgrounds and cultures. You imply that all 'Happy' teams contain no friction or personality clashes. May and Melksham are mates again, from what I gather.

On 9/15/2022 at 11:01 AM, binman said:

I was at opposite end of the ground - standing behind the goals at the Royal Parade end.

I have hated Matthews ever since. 

That was such a satisfying win.

I was on the Northern wing. What annoyed me was that Matthews - as usual- got away with it. 

I'll never forget standing on Camberwell Station listening to the Geelong Hawthorn game on my Trannie - a Trannie was a Transistor in those days - on the famous day Matthews got his comeuppance. After the fireworks began, all of the commentators blamed one man - a certain ex Demon, Mr Jackson. Years later I watched the build up to the Bews hit on Matthews.  Geelong had kept bombing the ball towards their forward line,, Jackson kept flying, Ayres or anyone else, repeatedly punched the back of Jackson's head, Jackson kept looking at the umpires, it went on like this until Job Jackson blew up. It was all Jackson's fault, see...