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Mark Maclure is a dinosaur, but he made an incisive observation when he pointed out that Garry had no place questioning Mark Neeld starting the captains on the bench against Geelong when he had appointed him as coach. So typical of all the issues I have about Garry's involvement in club business.

Ironic that Garry appointed Mark Neeld to clean up these antics.

I reckon it went something like this ... Garry spoke to Mick when the Pies were absolutely towelling everyone up last season possibly to see whether he'd take the job. Mick said he wouldn't be coaching in 2012 but gave a roaring endorsement to Neeld. The coaching selection panel pushed forward on that basis. As RB points out - many of the best hires come from reliable recommendations. If that's the way it panned out it's flawed because it didn't canvas all the options and that's a worry. But it doesn't mean we got the wrong guy. It is very possible that what's happening right now, although unforeseen, is exactly what this club needs to happen to be successful. There's a certain irony about "Dollars" appointment of Mark Neeld and the path we've now gone down with player behaviour and attitudes.

Where does the MFC player culture of selfishness and smug self-satisfaction with modest achievements trace back to?

Yes, I'm not sure where the bad rap for Mark Jamar is coming from - he's been rucking well, is in the leadership group (contrary to Caro's article), performed well of the Game Plan and strongly indicated he wants to sign with the club.

wowee-wee-wow!

STOP PRESS!!! Neeld excludes poorly performing leaders from leadership group, makes them train harder than they ever have and requires them to follow strict team rules that a new to them in 10+ years of playing and they crack the sh1ts and don't give 100% on game day. Thank your local deity - you've finally cracked the code for us all.

Which post is that - I read Ron's post: and can't see anything in there to support your claim Maybe you and Ron had some PM traffic that's confusing you?

Exactly, at least be smart enough not to throw petrol on the fire.

Sometimes during a 2 hour match something funny will be said, that incident could even be mischieviously replayed out of context. Players will no doubt encounter opposition players that they have shared experiences with on international rules or U18 and it's reasonable to expect some exchange of pleasantries even after a thumping. But IMO these are the only acceptable circumstances. When a player is playing for or watching Melbourne or Casey he is on the job. I hope the club will identify players who don't understand this and re-educate or eliminate them.

Google search - I imagine you've heard of it? So amusing - they need to leave a door open for THE search engine and that search engine doesn't have any need to close the door behind it

And you're staying a virgin until Jessica Alba sees the light?

this isn't going to end well ...

I've wondered if Neeld's mates at Collingwood would be off-limits for poaching. Clearly they're the players he knows best, but also he's got a strong relationship and alliance to FD people still there and I think that's important - there are 16 other teams to hit - I wouldn't blame him if he said they're off-limits, but I hope he doesn't.

We do need another marking target forward. For various reasons Watts, Martin and Sellar aren't it. Howe and Jurrah are 3rd tall options not keys. We would be better off playing Clark mainly forward and relieving Jamar in the ruck. Jamar played 84% game time on Friday - he can ruck 75% of the game and Clark 25% if we have another genuine target. As posted earlier - if the offer drives Cloke's price up and Sidebottom or Beams fall out then - hey!!!

Yep, altho I was hoping for less pain - clearly because I voted for 4 wins I think - but I knew 0 was always a possibility as was 8. I was hoping we might simulate the Bombers Knights-Hird transition but it looks like we're going to do it a lot harder.

You didn't have to be Nostrodamus to foretell it was going to be a tough night at the office. The Hawks members compensation game and reserved seating in the Southern stand wing forced me to level 4 PRE - very good view from there - bloody freezing though.

Martin and Sellar are failures key forward (I harbour hopes for Marting key back), Fitz and Cook are a couple of years off. Clark has been great forward with limited opportunities, I think we should play him as 2nd ruck to relieve Jamar - he'll be more involved in the game and we can play another mid instead of Martin or Sellar. Jamar played 84% game time on Friday night. It does leave our forward line without a long target when Clark is rucking and Jamar is resting - we need another long target anyway and it's not Watts - we should forget that plan.

We do need another key forward but it won't be Watts. He will never make it as a key forward and his talent is wasted as a 3rd tall forward. Fantastic decision making anddisposal means we need him to get the ball a lot. I'd prefer he plays key back in an attacking role a la Ben Reid than midfield. He needs to raise his intensity whatever. .

Hope that's what the problem is.

Thanks - will do tonight also.

Admirable. Weak and inconsistent.

I think Dunn has had an under-rated year - he's good as a defensive forward on the opposition play-maker, he was excellent on Bob Murphy in the Dogs game in the second half. He appears to be disciplined and prepared to sacrifice his own game for the team and he certainly annoys the [censored] out of his opponent. He also has the ability to kick goals from limited opportunities. He's unfashionable but he can play a role. I don't think playing him as sub makes sense.

AFL matches: 1 2 3 4 VFL matches: 1 x x 2 Chinese proverb say "draw picture", I don't know why they didn't just draw a picture