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Moloney.

It isn't so much the KPF but the need to have a suitable back-up for Jamar that has an alternative primary role so we can play an extra runner. And I don't want Jurrah or Watts at the top of the square forming the pack - I would prefer Watts on a lead and Jurrah hitting the top of the pack. But you still need that long target.

That drafting for needs does not mean that those needs will be immediately filled. We need a tall FF/ruck. Who are some saying could hold it down in 2011? Gawn and Fitzpatrick. They are not ready. They were not drafted to fill a need in 2011, but 2014. Drafting for needs works with kids that come on quickly - mids. Drafting for needs with tall players means you have to look 3+ years down the track at least.

Just because you are playing them does not equate to 'fast-tracking' their development. Of course, their development would be aided by AFL footy, but can we afford to carry a kid who isn't ready? I don't think we can, and I don't think we would be doing him (or Gawn) any favours by playing them when they are not ready. Increasing, unnecessarily and cruelly, the expectations on them

^This. Please understand this, people. Jack Fitpatrick and Max Gawn would love for you to get it.

As Old55 intimated - you're arguing to draft a certain way becasue of trading practices. Massive difference.

'Fast track his improvement'? Now why didn't I think of that? Easier said than done. Kids take a while, tall kids take an eternity.

Oh my god. Please tell me the rest of you don't want this.

I'm with you. Watts and Jurrah will be around for a decade. We need a FF/FP who can relieve Jamar. Darling doesn't have the height for it.

This is either a really early post, or really late...

Someone has to relieve Jamar during the first half aswell, HT. The backup ruck cannot be the sub. Won't work.

You touch on it later, I know, but the idea is you have to 'hide' this relief ruckman in another position as another ruckman on the bench would make a team lose run against a team without a ruck on their bench. We are trading for one because we don't have an adequate player for this FF/ruck and taller players mature later than smaller players so the draft isn't an option. Unless there is a hidden gem playing state footy somewhere. Do we need a 'real good player'? Clark or White would be two players off the top of my head that would be very valuable. Hale would have been, and probably will be, a role player - he doesn't need to be great. More than half of our premiership team won't be 'great' players. PJ didn't play for half of those 'last 4 games' so I guess his output wasn't bad in that it minimised his mistakes... He isn't going to do it. I don't think it 'good conventional wisdom' to have a backup ruck as the 22nd man. Jamar needs a rest throughout the first three quarters so he can 'run-out' every game throughout the year. One of the 21 should be able to adequately back up Jamar, and needs to have another primary position so we are not 'carrying' him. I really think it makes sense.

We got rid of Cheney and he was under contract...

"Dunn could be a CHF over time." I suppose that 'could' and 'over time' water down your statement. Perhaps I am missing more forum etiquette about such watering down procedures? And, hey, no need to get emotional... Dunn is a good, ordinary player. He is a role player that needs to conitnue to step up or he will find himself out of the 22. I really struggle to see how he can bring about such high praise when he has played half a season of consistent footy.

Would love to see a fit and firing Moloney as captain. Would understand Green having it for a couple. Would understand Davey getting it. I think it is down to these three and my preference would be down to Moloney, then Green, then Davey.

Well I would have thrown this pick at Sydney or Brisbane to get a FF/ruck so I am in the FCS let's get a FF/ruck camp. But when you are picking 18 year olds - you really should go for the talent. But by all means have a 'tall player affirmative action' plan...

Very early for this thread but... Martin, Warnock, Maric, Strauss, and MacDonald might be superfluous. PJ and/or McNamara could push back their fate a year...

Superstar? Really? He played a good negative role on some HBFs for half a season. It doesn't make him a superstar CHF...

It's a moot point - he was delisted last year and picked up as a rookie.

When you get a patent on something IP Australia have to put it on their website as a matter of course. So democracy was the problem, not Land.

Ah, yes.

I agree that all is not lost if we don't get a Wellman replacement. But that has little to do with Viney and more to do with the fact that we have 1 forward coach, 2 midfield coaches (if you read it like E25), and zero backline coaches. Williams should be able to slot into defence if that's what they are thinking - or do not want to overspend on the FD.

Unfamiliar with Ology for quite a while; are you referencing R25?

Yes, and it was my understanding that Williams went from being half/half to a full time Dev coach. It certainly intimates as much on the website with his blurb on the website. Although he is given the title 'Assistant Coach.' I guess we will wait and see...

Really good day for the club. Just as an aside - I noticed there was no mention of Mark Williams with O'Donnell in the Development team. Williams was made a dev coach two years ago. I wonder if this appointment has meant a restructure with Williams going to take charge of the backline and, therefore, there will be no need for a coach to be sought for the position vacated by Wellman. He's a good coach in his own right, Williams... That's my guess. Could be wrong.